Democrats have spent $35 million trying to get a far-right extremist nominated for Illinois governor

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I thought this was obvious. The way the DNC and the liberal media have framed the liberal/conservative divide has always come off to me as a purposeful tactic to quell public support. Constant calls for bipartisanship, "we need a strong Republican party", "Republicans take back your party", "how are we going to pay for that?", climate science vs climate deniers being placed on equal standing, 'can't go too far left', etc. Not to mention joining the Republicans in punching left as well. They keep telling us we need to meet conservatives halfway and push moderates, and what kind of message does that send?

The correct path is always framed as somewhere in between liberals and Republicans, never directly liberals alone, and definitely never anything further left. The liberal establishment never stands on the liberal platform except to ride the waves of public uproar every now and then. The solutions are always presented as "just a disagreement of beliefs" even if one side is pushing to remove voting rights for black citizens and calling the other side child groomers. If the establishment Dems stood firm on their platform and spoke with conviction you could create actual true believers from it. Currently the message is muddled and more and more people who don't pay attention are thinking centrism is a reasonable take. Bernie's following isn't just from populist policies, but the conviction he has in speaking about and fighting for it.

I do think Biden is making some effort (but nowhere near enough), but people have been calling out the Democrats for not wanting to actually govern for decades. :yeshrug:


It's always been clear to me that the establishment is on that bullshyt and wants to fukk over leftists. I just hadn't connected the dots regarding how the manner in which they quell support for leftist politicians has also had a long-term effect of reducing support for leftist policies. I've been too focused on the fact that leftist policies are popular anyway, and that establishment dems are letting down a huge potential voter base by failing to pursue them. I'm only just now realizing that in addition to letting down the left, their actions have likely also depressed a much more expansive move from the center to the left, and probably even cost them quite a few voters to the right.
 

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It's always been clear to me that the establishment is on that bullshyt and wants to fukk over leftists. I just hadn't connected the dots regarding how the manner in which they quell support for leftist politicians has also had a long-term effect of reducing support for leftist policies. I've been too focused on the fact that leftist policies are popular anyway, and that establishment dems are letting down a huge potential voter base by failing to pursue them. I'm only just now realizing that in addition to letting down the left, their actions have likely also depressed a much more expansive move from the center to the left, and probably even cost them quite a few voters to the right.
I'm sure you've read about the ratchet effect. I think a large chunk of the Dem establishment has accepted their role as the Republican 'clean up crew' and don't wish to govern beyond that, so they push to quash any demands of the voters by trying to convince them that 'this is how things have to be.' That's going to convince a lot of people that they can't take up for even the causes they feel very strongly about, because they're told if they push too hard then we'll all suffer for it. I am sure there are many politicians who are true believers of this, but the the liberal media is sometimes completely disingenuous in their push to convince voters.

That's the reason that leftist policies are so popular yet there has still been so much hesitation from voters when it comes to making the demands for those policies. That's my theory at least.
 

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Helping your opponent seems like a bad idea, in any type of scenario. Especially one where the opponent has a fetish for thinking any loss is rigged and crazy enough to storm federal property with weapons and threaten the lives of elected officials.
 

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Before 2016 I might've thought this was a good idea. But he might actually win. :huhldup:
 

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Pretty interesting to hear a U.S. Senator talk about the issue with less nuance and insight than The Coli lol. Her entire interview was "Winning is all that matters", there was zero acknowledgement of any of the potential unintended consequences beyond a naive, "If we misjudge poorly they might win....but we're not going to misjudge."
 

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So....maybe Democrats in power should spend that $35 million on something that actually benefits their constituents, rather than throwing it away just to give lip service to far-right positions?

Yeah this is so stupid bc Pritzker doesn't need the help. He's going to coast.

They're doing this bc it's a way to raise the profile of the race and by extension Pritzker.

Pritzker is absolutely considering jumping into the presidential race in 2024 if Biden isn't on the ticket.
 

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Pritzker is absolutely considering jumping into the presidential race in 2024 if Biden isn't on the ticket.
i like the idea of running a governor, but these fukkin dark blue state governors are gonna get hammered :dead: their "experience" is in high taxes. illinois is not a state that the general electorate wants to emulate in any way, shape or form. pritzker's record is extorting the middle class to bail out a bankrupt pension system

id rather run newsom because despite all californias bullshyt, he can at least talk about running the 5th largest economy in the world, and have some star power behind it
 

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i like the idea of running a governor, but these fukkin dark blue state governors are gonna get hammered :dead: their "experience" is in high taxes. illinois is not a state that the general electorate wants to emulate in any way, shape or form. pritzker's record is extorting the middle class to bail out a bankrupt pension system

id rather run newsom because despite all californias bullshyt, he can at least talk about running the 5th largest economy in the world, and have some star power behind it

A "hollywood" candidate from San Francisco isn't much better. Pritzker has been a pretty good governor and is making real progress trying to manage a basket case of a state government.
 

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pritzker's record is extorting the middle class to bail out a bankrupt pension system

Don't be a clown. Pritzker literally worked miracles with the budget enough to provide freezes and rebates this fiscal year, finally make more than the legally required payments to the pension fund, and getting rid of Madigan's gatekeeping that pleased the RIGHT all in one term.

Just those alone are biblical for Illinois, but he did this following up Bruce "Dems need a budget, not me" Rauner tanking the state employment, credit, and money wise. J.B. started on Legendary difficulty with negative stats and is turning it around WITH inflation and COVID.
 
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Don't be a clown. Pritzker literally worked miracles with the budget enough to provide freezes and rebates this fiscal year, finally make more than the legally required payments to the pension fund, and getting rid of Madigan's gatekeeping that pleased the RIGHT all in one term.

Just those alone are biblical for Illinois, but he did this following up Bruce "Dems need a budget, not me" Rauner tanking the state employment, credit, and money wise. J.B. started on Legendary difficulty with negative stats and is turning it around WITH inflation and COVID.
yea nobody gives a fukk :mjlol:

making piss out of shyt isnt something to brag about on the debate stage

"my state's finances are awful, and the taxes are raping the middle class, but i made it a little less worse". great message :mjlol:
 
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