Democrats have spent $35 million trying to get a far-right extremist nominated for Illinois governor

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Damn, that brings up a factor I've never thought of.

I wonder to what degree the Republican habit of pushing their most unapologetic conservatives to prominent positions has helped promote those positions, while the Democratic habit (at least since the 1990s) of marginalizing their most enthusiastic liberals has cast a wet blanket over public support for liberal ideas?

Like I said, psychological research shows that people tend to adopt the positions of those they stan. And Republicans have kept putting up extremist far-right politicians into power. Meanwhile Democrats keep putting mealy-mouthed centrists afraid to push strong positions into those same roles. Has that potentially resulted in less enthusiastic public support for liberal positions than otherwise would have been possible?

I've always thought the Democrats' failure to promote leftists has led to lack of enthusiasm among those who were already leftists and those who would benefit from leftist policies. But it might also have reduced the # of potential leftists full-stop and thus hurt the party doubly.

And people are surprised that the country has moved to the right

The GOP should have been dead after Bush's 2nd term. The best thing Bush/Cheney did for the Republican party was support Lieberman rather than the Republican in exchange for nuking the public option. Democrats since that loss have not really embraced big sweeping change.

They give Bernie and AOC some mic time to make people who identify with their beliefs feel like they have a say in the party then continue with business as usual and will never allow politicians like the aforementioned ever wield any actual power
 

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It actually probably is the best way they can think of using the money because they prefer to scare their voters and run against villainous characters rather than make nuanced policy arguments with the assumption being that the average voter is too stupid or lacks the attention span to follow a detailed platform and make an informed decision
The average voter is too stupid. :pachaha:

But he's the incumbent, people have had four years to know his policy positions and how he plans to govern. :pachaha:
 

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The coli: Democrats need to get dirty and stop trying to take the high road

*Dem gets dirty*

The coli: Democrats should focus more on just their own policies and take the high road.

James: :pachaha: never change
 

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The coli: Democrats need to get dirty and stop trying to take the high road

*Dem gets dirty*

The coli: Democrats should focus more on just their own policies and take the high road.

James: :pachaha: never change

Illinois governor seat wouldnt even be likely to flip regardless of who the opponent is. What is the net benefit of giving this loon any boost? If you think voters are stupid then the underlying implication that they are stupid but just smart enough to discern that the guy is crazy and his ideas should be discarded is a tight window to squeeze into
 

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DGA ad about Bailey:



Downstate will eat this up in a positive way. :francis: I think they need to hammer on less tasteful aspects like election fraud and abortion (to split the women), maybe touch on Bailey's stupid attempt to secede the rest of the state from Chicago to prop up his incompetency. Dude is a legit idiot. But Bruce Rauner was elected so the window to winning is always open.

Opposing gun control and "too conservative" IMO nets him good points with the yee-haws and suburbanites.
 

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The coli: Democrats need to get dirty and stop trying to take the high road

*Dem gets dirty*

The coli: Democrats should focus more on just their own policies and take the high road.

James: :pachaha: never change


Is "the coli" a monolith? I have NEVER said the Democrats need to get dirty or disingenuous - you full well know that I've called the Democrats dirty before and not in a good way. Someone without integrity shouldn't project themselves onto everyone else.
 

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I'd argue that the endless free promotion Bailey will inevitably receive from Fox News will give him a far larger platform on a much larger scale than targeted "this guy is crazy" ads playing in the suburbs and metro areas of Chicago. Now I could agree with you in the sense that spending so much during the primary season seems like a potential waste. Seems to make more sense to nuke him the minute he gets the nomination right?

I don't think you get it - the Democrats have been running ads against Irvin in an attempt to help Bailey, trying to make Bailey look like the better candidate. They weren't confident that he would get the nomination without their help and that's why they're spending so much money trying to ensure that an extremist gets elected.

Look at this ad for example. They're attacking Irvin for having been a defense lawyer. Don't dems think that defense lawyers are a GOOD thing? This is one of the most disingenuous bullshyt ads I've seen in a minute. You're really gonna poison the well against defense lawyers and people who stand up for the rights of the accused and try to push people even further to the right on tough on crime narratives?




That's the exact same bullshyt the Republicans tried to do against Ketanji Brown Jackson. How can you claim over and over that Republican behavior against her was racist and horrible, but then turn around and do the exact same fukking thing to a Black governor candidate just because he's a Republican?




Speaking of which, I assume you agree ads should run highlighting this man's positions while contrasting them with Pritzker's record/views/etc right? Part of campaigning is defining and attacking your opponent. And if you're running against a right wing extremist in a blue state, why wouldn't you nuke him on that?

But they're trying to get the extremist elected by attacking his moderate opponent and in the process giving a boost to far-right positions.
 

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I don't think you get it - the Democrats have been running ads against Irvin in an attempt to help Bailey, trying to make Bailey look like the better candidate. They weren't confident that he would get the nomination without their help and that's why they're spending so much money trying to ensure that an extremist gets elected.

Look at this ad for example. They're attacking Irvin for having been a defense lawyer. Don't dems think that defense lawyers are a GOOD thing? This is one of the most disingenuous bullshyt ads I've seen in a minute. You're really gonna poison the well against defense lawyers and people who stand up for the rights of the accused and try to push people even further to the right on tough on crime narratives?




That's the exact same bullshyt the Republicans tried to do against Ketanji Brown Jackson. How can you claim over and over that Republican behavior against her was racist and horrible, but then turn around and do the exact same fukking thing to a Black governor candidate just because he's a Republican?






But they're trying to get the extremist elected by attacking his moderate opponent and in the process giving a boost to far-right positions.


Then when Bailey wins the nomination, he makes the Fox News Tour while they simultaneously shed more light on Pritzker being a wealthy and corrupt slime ball and they extrapolate that out to paint many democrat politicians to be as such.

If Irvin wins Fox News doesnt mention the race once
 

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Is "the coli" a monolith? I have NEVER said the Democrats need to get dirty or disingenuous - you full well know that I've called the Democrats dirty before and not in a good way. Someone without integrity shouldn't project themselves onto everyone else.
You aren't the only person I'm speaking to. Humble yourself. :childplease:
 

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I don't think you get it - the Democrats have been running ads against Irvin in an attempt to help Bailey, trying to make Bailey look like the better candidate. They weren't confident that he would get the nomination without their help and that's why they're spending so much money trying to ensure that an extremist gets elected.
You're still ignoring the ads posted in here by the DGA that are critical of Bailey. :mjtf:
 

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Damn, that brings up a factor I've never thought of.

I wonder to what degree the Republican habit of pushing their most unapologetic conservatives to prominent positions has helped promote those positions, while the Democratic habit (at least since the 1990s) of marginalizing their most enthusiastic liberals has cast a wet blanket over public support for liberal ideas?

Like I said, psychological research shows that people tend to adopt the positions of those they stan. And Republicans have kept putting up extremist far-right politicians into power. Meanwhile Democrats keep putting mealy-mouthed centrists afraid to push strong positions into those same roles. Has that potentially resulted in less enthusiastic public support for liberal positions than otherwise would have been possible?

I've always thought the Democrats' failure to promote leftists has led to lack of enthusiasm among those who were already leftists and those who would benefit from leftist policies. But it might also have reduced the # of potential leftists full-stop and thus hurt the party doubly.
I thought this was obvious. The way the DNC and the liberal media have framed the liberal/conservative divide has always come off to me as a purposeful tactic to quell public support. Constant calls for bipartisanship, "we need a strong Republican party", "Republicans take back your party", "how are we going to pay for that?", climate science vs climate deniers being placed on equal standing, 'can't go too far left', etc. Not to mention joining the Republicans in punching left as well. They keep telling us we need to meet conservatives halfway and push moderates, and what kind of message does that send?

The correct path is always framed as somewhere in between liberals and Republicans, never directly liberals alone, and definitely never anything further left. The liberal establishment never stands on the liberal platform except to ride the waves of public uproar every now and then. The solutions are always presented as "just a disagreement of beliefs" even if one side is pushing to remove voting rights for black citizens and calling the other side child groomers. If the establishment Dems stood firm on their platform and spoke with conviction you could create actual true believers from it. Currently the message is muddled and more and more people who don't pay attention are thinking centrism is a reasonable take. Bernie's following isn't just from populist policies, but the conviction he has in speaking about and fighting for it.

I do think Biden is making some effort (but nowhere near enough), but people have been calling out the Democrats for not wanting to actually govern for decades. :yeshrug:
 
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