DeMarcus Cousins feels he was the first Nikola Jokic in the NBA: "They won't give me the credit"

[Everythingg]

Difference between being a solid passer and being a playmaker. Jokic literally initiates offense as a 5. Who has really done that ever?

Go look up Webber's passing highlights then come back and explain how he couldn't initiate an offense as a post player...Wilt decided to try to lead the league in assists and did (in totals not per game) off a whim. Players showed the ability/capability to do what Jokic is doing but besides him and Wilt no one had a team buy into making a post player the facilitator for the whole team.

 

[The G.O.D II]

Go look up Webber's passing highlights then come back and explain how he couldn't initiate an offense as a post player...Wilt decided to try to lead the league in assists and did (in totals not per game) off a whim. Players showed the ability/capability to do what Jokic is doing but besides him and Wilt no one had a team buy into making a post player the facilitator for the whole team.

nikka said look up his passing highlights. Did you not see what I said about passing vs playmaking?

 

[mastermind]

Yes if you (over)value assists over everything else. When you do that Jokic is better than everyone, no matter how much more dominant as a scorer/defender the player could have been...

If you think im saying it because of the assists only—also, averaging 8-9 assists a game and scoring 30 a game is better for winning than scoring 30 a game on two assists a game—then you don’t know the game as much as you think.

More bodies in the paint where? Isn't everyone playing 4 wings out 1 big in?

No

Hakeem played in era that often had 2 post players in the post while also going up against more quality players at his position. Averaging 11 rebounds with Rudy Gorbert or Daniel Gafford as your match up is a lot different than averaging 11 rebs with DRob or Dikembe as your match up...

on a nightly basis, Hakeem faced players much worse than Gafford and Gobert.

 

[darryl]

If you think im saying it because of the assists only—also, averaging 8-9 assists a game and scoring 30 a game is better for winning than scoring 30 a game on two assists a game—then you don’t know the game as much as you think.

No

on a nightly basis, Hakeem faced players much worse than Gafford and Gobert.

All this Dikkriding you doing of him and since he's "climbing those lists", then He should be stacking chips as well. I expect him to at least get to the finals this year. No excuses for the Goat.

 

[Everythingg]

If you think im saying it because of the assists only—also, averaging 8-9 assists a game and scoring 30 a game is better for winning than scoring 30 a game on two assists a game—then you don’t know the game as much as you think.

What about how many pts a player takes away from the other team on defense? How about the foul trouble a player puts the other team in that changes the way the team defends?

If it ain’t assists that somehow makes Jokic better than Hakeem then what is it?

No

on a nightly basis, Hakeem faced players much worse than Gafford and Gobert.

Ok and we can say that on the other hand, Hakeem faced much better players than anyone Jokic is going against which was my point.

nikka said look up his passing highlights. Did you not see what I said about passing vs playmaking?

You could always show how Jokic facilitates in way that CWebb didn't. When I look at how Webber played I see him making the same passes from the post or the midrange that Jokic makes while also having the ability to take it coast to coast for a score/pass.

 

[mastermind]

All this Dikkriding you doing of him and since he's "climbing those lists", then He should be stacking chips as well. I expect him to at least get to the finals this year. No excuses for the Goat.

I didn’t call him the GOAT. You did.

What about how many pts a player takes away from the other team on defense? How about the foul trouble a player puts the other team in that changes the way the team defends?

If it ain’t assists that somehow makes Jokic better than Hakeem then what is it?

What if I told you that career wise, he is a plus defender?

If it ain’t assists that somehow makes Jokic better than Hakeem then what is it?

We have never seen a point center until Jokic.

Ok and we can say that on the other hand, Hakeem faced much better players than anyone Jokic is going against which was my point.

On the average, Jokic faces better big men than Hakeem and Shaq did.

He also sees better defensive schemes.

 

[MoshpitMazi]

Jokic was the better playmaker cousins better on offense

 

[Peruvian Connect]

Jokic was the better playmaker cousins better on offense

Huh? Jokic is better at play making and has a better offensive skill set. The fucck is yu talking about. Oliver Miller was a better play maker and more skilled than Boogie too.

 

[L $ C]

Jokic was the better playmaker cousins better on offense

for what a month?

 

[Unbothered]

In his Sacramento days, he was pretty dominant.

A week ago, I saw a clip of his Sacramento highlights on Facebook, and even I was shocked at how good he was back then. I knew he was one of the best bigs in the league for a good stretch, but I never really watched the Kings or Pelicans during his peak and prime with those teams in particular.

I think what separates them is the play style but also the wins and losses. Jokic's dominance leads to wins, whereas a lot of Cousins's dominance amounted to losses, although not his fault because he never had as good of a team as Joker.

For a lot of fans, when you're winning, it's more impressive, but when you're losing, it's just meh. If Jokic was dominant but losing at the same rate as Cousins was during his peak and prime years in Sacramento and New Orleans, nobody would care.

That's why fans don't give Cousins any credit because his moments of dominance didn't amount to anything significant outside of highlight reels.

 

[KidJSoul]

Yup. You'll never see a black player allowed to play like Jokic if we're gonna keep it a brick... but he could've been a diet version of Jokic if the league would've allowed it

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Bill Russell
Chris Webber
Kevin Garnett

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[Whips-n-Chains]

Boogie was a great talent but he wasn’t the passer Joker is

Yea...his career high is 13 assists, and he only had double digit assists 10 times in his career.

Jokic has had 25+ games with more assists than Boogies career high.

Boogie was a dop player but his passing and court vision is not even in the same category as Jokic

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

nikka said look up his passing highlights. Did you not see what I said about passing vs playmaking?

Being a good passer isn’t a part of playmaking? I know it’s a lot of honkey’s that post in this section and it’s blasphemy to criticize a good white player, but gotdamn… yall so see through

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

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Bill Russell
Chris Webber
Kevin Garnett

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Negative on all 3 except Russell…yall only praise him when it’s time to prop up white narratives

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

On the average, Jokic faces better big men than Hakeem and Shaq did

I knew what I was dealing with when I made my statements…. But posts like this proves that we can’t have a serious conversation about basketball on this site….