Dilltastic VolWon(derful)
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One of the most talented players to come out of the draft in the past 15 yearsI'll just say it’s sad how Boogie's career panned out. He was very talented
DeMarcus Cousins feels he was the first Nikola Jokic in the NBA: "They won't give me the credit"
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IsThatBrothaMouzone?
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Facts.
Some guys are winners that put up stats, leading to victory.
Other guys put up numbers but for various reasons, can't lift a team to victory. The breh everyone says "damn he was a walking bucket" but no one really cares beyond that.
So Chris Webber didn't exist? Arvydas Sabonis? Vlade?
I'm so glad you mentioned these dudes especially people slept on Arydas Sabonis.
Patrick Kane
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I’m not just comparing triple doubles - that’s just a faucet of their game but the point I’m making is that Jokic has that impact on the game EVERY single game. Having almost 30 triple doubles in a season means you are the most impactful player on the court at any given moment. You’re effecting every aspect of the the game from a scoring, rebounding, passing perspective and literally controlling the flow of the game. VERY few players in NBA history has ever reached those levels and impacted the game that way.
I’m not going back and forth with nikkas that are talking about Chris Webber in the same breath as Nikola Jokic. It’s absolutely ridiculous man. You guys gotta stop that stupid shyt and enjoy watching one of the greatest players the game has ever seen. Chris Webber and fukking Demarcus Cousins are not that. Nowhere near man
The only players I want to see mentioned among Jokic are Hakeem, Shaq, Wilt and Russell. No one else
Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
Your last sentence makes sense if we're talking about ACCOMPLISHMENTS and not PLAYING STYLE. DeMarcus Cousins, Arvydas Sabonis, Chris Webber, Wilt etc... are players that already showed they could play the same style that Jokic plays, they just played in eras that didn't allow them to, or didn't put them in position to. Besides Wilt of course. Thats not saying they're as accomplished as Jokic is or better.,,
The emotional "In the same breath" stuff is your emotions running loose in a rush to defend Jokic's "greatness is no different than someone saying Chris Jackson was playing the "Steph Curry" playstyle before Curry and someone coming along and saying "don't put Jackson in the same sentence" as if that's the point.
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
No one wants to say it cuz he white, but Jokic>Hakeem and Shaq.
I'm convinced that anyone who agrees didn't watch Cousins, doesn't watch Joker and hates Jokic because he's white
Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
No one wants to say it cuz he white, but Jokic>Hakeem and Shaq.
Maybe if we ignore defense and the competition at the center position in the 90s vs today
Patrick Kane
Superstar
Your last sentence makes sense if we're talking about ACCOMPLISHMENTS and not PLAYING STYLE. DeMarcus Cousins, Arvydas Sabonis, Chris Webber, Wilt etc... are players that already showed they could play the same style that Jokic plays, they just played in eras that didn't allow them to, or didn't put them in position to. Besides Wilt of course. Thats not saying they're as accomplished as Jokic is or better.,,
The emotional "In the same breath" stuff is your emotions running loose in a rush to defend Jokic's "greatness is no different than someone saying Chris Jackson was playing the "Steph Curry" playstyle before Curry and someone coming along and saying "don't put Jackson in the same sentence" as if that's the point.
But Mahmoud Abdul Rauf literally isn’t in the same breath or conversation as Steph Curry
and they didn’t have the same play style. Just cause MAR shot 3s and had a very nice handle doesn’t mean he is in the same conversation as Steph, even from a pure play style perspective. Steph is literally the greatest shooter of all time with iron lungs that can run through and around screens all day and beat you just off that, without even shooting a 3. Steph ability to move without the ball is what makes him so goated with the space he can create. It’s never been seen before. And I’m not even going to touch on any other aspects of his game cause you’re here insinuating that they got similar play styles LMAOOO. MAR was a great player I’m not shytting on him but there’s no one in NBA history with Steph play style or has had his effect on impacting and influencing the 3 point shot . This is at EVERY level of basketball down to fukking the playground
nikka sees that they both shoot 3s with a nice handle and now Steph and MAR similar play styles just like Webber/Wilt (who you never seen play) have similar play styles to Jokic
Patrick Kane
Superstar
No one wants to say it cuz he white, but Jokic>Hakeem and Shaq.
Lol I ain’t ready to say all that but it’s close. I think Hakeem the GOAT centre and I can’t see Jokic surpassing him mainly cause he could do everything Jokic could do offensively but was an absolute monster defensively. Rebounding and shot blocking machine and easily nabbed 1-2 steals per game. Just unfair how he impacted both sides of the ball and that’s what makes him GOAT
Jokic is top 5 of all time don’t matter what hating ass fake ass militant Coli nikkas gotta say
Difference between being a solid passer and being a playmaker. Jokic literally initiates offense as a 5. Who has really done that ever?
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
Cool, he better than them.Maybe if we ignore defense and the competition at the center position in the 90s vs today
The defensive strength Hakeem has over doesn't mask how much better Jokic is than Hakeem on the offensive end. (Jokic is also averaging 2 steals a game this season and averages over a steal a game, btw)
Jokic is a better rebounder than Hakeem too, and this with more bodies in the paint today than back then.
I think people don't want to admit this because he white and because its the present, but Jokic is moving up them lists.
Boonapalist
Superstar
Because it’s not true yet unless you’re talking primes. He seems like he’s on his way to pass them all time thoughNo one wants to say it cuz he white, but Jokic>Hakeem and Shaq.
Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
Umm... Reggie Miller? Ray Allen? Rip Hamilton? They did everything Curry does off ball. Dribbling the ball down the court and pulling up from 3? Mixing someone up off the dribble than dropping a 3 right after? Mahmoud was doing that in the 90 and maybe Mark Price around/a little before that time. What turned Curry up the highest was the fact that he could do BOTH at a high level. Unless you have some emotional tie to an athlete that isn't even aware of your existence, saying there were others playing with a similar style that predates Curry isn't an attack on Curry nor is it a question of his greatness.But Mahmoud Abdul Rauf literally isn’t in the same breath or conversation as Steph Curry
Just cause MAR shot 3s and had a very nice handle doesn’t mean he is in the same conversation as Steph, even from a pure play style perspective. Steph is literally the greatest shooter of all time with iron lungs that can run through and around screens all day and beat you just off that, without even shooting a 3. Steph ability to move without the ball is what makes him so goated with the space he can create. It’s never been seen before. And I’m not even going to touch on any other aspects of his game cause you’re here insinuating that they got similar play styles LMAOOO. MAR was a great player I’m not shytting on him but there’s no one in NBA history with Steph play style or has had his effect on impacting and influencing the 3 point shot . This is at EVERY level of basketball down to fukking the playground
nikka sees that they both shoot 3s with a nice handle and now Steph and MAR similar play styles just like Webber/Wilt (who you never seen play) have similar play styles to Jokic
Jokic is a good to great post player that can hit shots outside the paint while also being able to facilitate for others. There were players that did that to varying degrees before Jokic and that's all that's being said. The "how is he in the same conversation" or "he's not better" babble is just an emotional reflex you're having when it comes to certain players...
Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
Yes if you (over)value assists over everything else. When you do that Jokic is better than everyone, no matter how much more dominant as a scorer/defender the player could have been...
More bodies in the paint where? Isn't everyone playing 4 wings out 1 big in? Hakeem played in era that often had 2 post players in the post while also going up against more quality players at his position. Averaging 11 rebounds with Rudy Gorbert or Daniel Gafford as your match up is a lot different than averaging 11 rebs with DRob or Dikembe as your match up...
And while it definitely has its merit, all that "its cuz he a cac" stuff can easily be used to why he has 3 MVPs.