DeMarcus Cousins feels he was the first Nikola Jokic in the NBA: "They won't give me the credit"

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Boy we witnessing the cap in record live time

 

[Everythingg]

In the Wilt Chamberlain doc, that season was criticized because he was overpassing and it wasn’t in the offensive flow.

being s great passer or high assist player isn’t the same as being the team’s offensive decision maker like a Jokic, Bron, Harden, SGA, etc are.


It’s not because points win games.

Jokic is better and you will have to be mad about it

It doesn't matter if Wilt selfishly played point center or played it selflessly. The point is that he played it. But you so pressed to praise a cac and have him on a pedestal that you wanna ignore every other big that showed playmaking skills like Jokic does. You complaining about Jokic haters but you the mirrored version of them.


Your take of Jokic being better than Hakeem is completely based on him averaging more assists. But anyone with a nuanced take would understand that averaging 5 more assists can't be more impactful than someone that may stop 20 pts from being scored on the defensive side.

 

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doesn't matter if Wilt selfishly played point center or played it selflessly.

He really wrote this

 

[Everythingg]

Which bigs could shoot at that level?

Just for kicks when it comes to calling out lazy casual takes, Sam Perkins and Cliff Robinson could shoot 3s but bigs weren't be trained/allowed to shoot 3s. Bigs in the past would be benched for shooting jump shots while today not shooting can get you benched.

Ralph Sampson and Chris Webber were posts doing the Giannis coast to coast runs in their time. The difference being that a big with the ability to do that might get benched for doing it. While today, someone like Giannis gets the green light that others in the past didn't get. Only casuals would take Giannis being the first with the full green light as meaning he's the first with the capability/ability....

Think carefully about that question when you consider damn near all starting centers now can shoot 33-37 percent from three, and can do it off the dribble or catch and shoot. You can say they weren’t allowed, but a lot of bigs from the old days could not put the ball on the court. They couldn’t shoot free to rows at a high clip.

Magic was a power forward playing point guard because he was that phenomenal of a players. Michael Jordan would have been a small forward if we put him in conventional wisdoms.

Bigs are entering the league way more skilled and more fluid athletes now than ever before.

A casual would be the ones that think that the skills of basketball are only limited to shooting 3s and dribbling. So they wouldn't understand the nuance of the modern big being more skilled at shooting/dribbling while also being less skilled in the post or with boxing out.

 

[Everythingg]

He really wrote this

A casual wants to say that what motivates a player matters when it comes to whether that player played a certain role in an offensive system or not

Jokic is averaging 29 13 and 10. If you're this pressed to put him on a pedestal then use the numbers as a starting point. Pretending that he's the first big man with playmaking skills is cap

 

[mastermind]

Sam Perkins and Cliff Robinson could shoot 3s but bigs weren't be trained/allowed to shoot 3s.

Clifford Robinson and Sam Perkins were exclusively three point shooters during the middle and later part of his career. They were allowed. But you named two players out a bunch of others. How was Benoit Benjamin's three ball? Felton Spencer? Gheorghe Mueresan?

Ralph Sampson and Chris Webber were posts doing the Giannis coast to coast runs in their time.

You don't know the difference between being a good passer and being the facilitator of a high functioning offense.

A casual would be the ones that think that the skills of basketball are only limited to shooting 3s and dribbling. So they wouldn't understand the nuance of the modern big being more skilled at shooting/dribbling while also being less skilled in the post or with boxing out.

You have now decided to have a different conversation

 

[Everythingg]

Clifford Robinson and Sam Perkins were exclusively three point shooters during the middle and later part of his career. They were allowed. But you named two players out a bunch of others. How was Benoit Benjamin's three ball? Felton Spencer? Gheorghe Mueresan?

You asked what bigs could shoot so I mentioned 2. And there were others like Larry Bird, Toni Kukoc, Detleff Schremph, Robert Horry, Bill Lambeer, Arvydas Sabonis, etc.. who were bigs in size/position that could step out and shoot.


If you wanna take the casual stink out of your take then leave it at more modern bigs being more skilled at shooting 3s than the past. Because the flip side of that statement is that the bigs of the past were more skilled in the post than the bigs of today are. Problem is that casuals like you leave basketball skill as shooting and dribbling alone. You don't consider other skills in basketball like defense, rebounding, setting screens, post game etc...

You don't know the difference between being a good passer and being the facilitator of a high functioning offense.

You tell me I don't know the difference but haven't explained the difference yourself

And this is coming off a post where you said a person isn't playing the role of point center on the court if he has selfish motivations

You have now decided to have a different conversation

Im only responding to your casual takes and explaining why they're casual. Your OG cac smelling "hate to admit that Jokic is better than Hakeem because Jokic is white" take is that "Im a boxscore watcher" type with a little bit of a want to pedestalize cacs. Maybe that's not where you're coming from but that's what you're giving off