Sithlord Piff
Superstar
segregation was affirmative action for White people...they dont like bringing that part up tho.
Debate: White Supremacy Vs. Self Accountability/Responsibility
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White supremacy created systemic oppression/ racism/segregation as a way to remain the dominant society. A lot of the issues black people face are a result of being relentlessly oppressed. This feeling of being oppressed creates an atmosphere of desperation, mental illness and hopelessness. Which in turn increases criminal activity and self destructive behavior.
The media which is predominantly owned and operated by white people has created the narrative that all black people are hyper aggressive and violent, which plays into the fears that most white Americans have about black people. They fear that blacks will attack them as revenge for the unfair conditions that they are forced to live in. Blacks and other people of color should not expect to be properly represented in the media because the media's entire business plan is designed to create and produce content that appeals to the ideals and sensibilities of white America-which is predominantly racist.
As individuals we are all responsible and accountable for our own actions. But to say that self accountability and responsibility are the primary solutions to end a system that has been designed to deliberately and brutally annihilate blacks and other people of color is ridiculous and dismissive of the race issues this country refuses to acknowledge. Respectability politics is just another avenue that white America uses to deflect and avoid their role whether it be unknowingly or indirectly in the atrocities of the past and present.
The media which is predominantly owned and operated by white people has created the narrative that all black people are hyper aggressive and violent, which plays into the fears that most white Americans have about black people. They fear that blacks will attack them as revenge for the unfair conditions that they are forced to live in. Blacks and other people of color should not expect to be properly represented in the media because the media's entire business plan is designed to create and produce content that appeals to the ideals and sensibilities of white America-which is predominantly racist.
As individuals we are all responsible and accountable for our own actions. But to say that self accountability and responsibility are the primary solutions to end a system that has been designed to deliberately and brutally annihilate blacks and other people of color is ridiculous and dismissive of the race issues this country refuses to acknowledge. Respectability politics is just another avenue that white America uses to deflect and avoid their role whether it be unknowingly or indirectly in the atrocities of the past and present.
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PhonZhi
Veteran
Nobody is debating this tho
. We know what is the root cause. My point is how are we expecting to overcome it? Who's responsibility is it to shatter the system? Are we waiting on the people who created it to sympathize with us and see the errors in their ways or is it up to US to unite, practice group economics, support each other and create our own?
PhonZhi
Veteran
why is there less of this violence outside of impoverished communities? why are these communities impoverished? what mechanisms led to such a poor community that fosters violence and brutality?
FrederickDouglas
All Star
White supremacy ≠ white people
White supremacy is a system instituted by the white community to elevate themselves at the expense of the black community, and both white and black people can be agents of it
White supremacy is a system instituted by the white community to elevate themselves at the expense of the black community, and both white and black people can be agents of it
PhonZhi
Veteran
So basicly for "change" to happen, the white people who benefit from the system would have to have a change of heart and take their feet off our neck. Its on THEM, and not us to force change. gotcha.
And this isn't about "victim blaming" or respectability politics. Im simply wondering who's responsibility do we think it is in order for progression to happen.Are we really holding our breath for THEM to change?
PhonZhi
Veteran
Systemic oppression is the answer
Nobody is denying this
The question is are we waiting on our enemy to change these things or is it up to US to force change?
A Real Human Bean
and a real hero
I've never heard any black person (on this website or outside of it) suggest that "we should let every knucklehead off the hook" because of the existence of white supremacy. Arguing against straw men is no way to begin a serious discussion.
Despite what you think you've learned about Black people, we don't like crime and criminals. But while living under poor conditions many of us have come to gain a nuanced understanding of the factors that create crime and how we might deal with them; these views are very different from the crude suggestions I've heard from people on this website who think it would be a great idea for "good" black people to pick up guns and carry out the mass murder of "bad" black people, as some form of vigilante justice.
Of course, understanding that we have the power to change our situation is of utmost importance, and I don't think any black people actually interested in the issues would deny this.
The major split in opinion typically comes from one party asserting the ridiculous notion that a lack of personal responsibility and accountability is the cause of the social ills in our community, and that with a healthy dose of personal responsibility we can reverse centuries of lack of opportunity and poor social conditions.
This theory completely ignores the long series of events that led to our present state and the current conditions that continue to affect it-- which is exactly what those white supremacists who came up with this propaganda intended. You do a huge favor to the powerful in this country when you ignore their actions and just tell black people to pick their pants up and turn off that damn rap music; it's our job as citizens to challenge systems of power, not strengthen them.
But I do believe change starts with ourselves, and I don't just mean black people, I mean working class people all over. And you are right to point out that waiting around for a savior is wrong and a recipe for disaster.
So, rather than vague notions of personal responsibility, black people need political activity. We need become informed on the issues affecting us, spread this knowledge to our brothers and sisters, and form educated, politically active communities that can take action.
Institutions that have functioned in the past as conduits for working class political organization have been severely weakened. This has had a obvious negative effect on the collective consciousness (of the working class at least; elites are as class conscious as ever). But in recent years there has been a hopeful resurgence of working class activism and I hope it continues to grow.
MalikReloaded
All Star
Unsuccessful people will blame white supremacy. Successful people will acknowledge it but, ultimately realize they have complete control over their lives and how they respond to things.
onelastdeath
Banned
Having a system to blame for our problems has taken self accountability from blacks. It's not about the blame game anymore. It's about what you want to do. It's about who you want to be. Like I said, the BC will be fixed when black people want the BC to be fixed. Till then' just try not to be a part of the chaos.Systemic oppression is the answer
Nobody is denying this
The question is are we waiting on our enemy to change these things or is it up to US to force change?
This is a very good post
PhonZhi
Veteran
onelastdeath
Banned
People are more focused on the system than they are the people it's effects. There are people who really think that white people are going to wake up and decide not to win anymore. Isn't happening. Won't ever happen. It's been working for them. Why would they stop? Because it's mean? It's not about stopping white supremacy. It's about teaching black people not to be inferior. The inferiority complex that we have is just as bad as the superiority complex that they have.
I'm done talking about white supremacy. Just focus on blacks. No one is going to choose to lose. It ain't happening.
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