"Death to the Pessimistic State of Mind" - Nas Voice: NYK '23 Pre-Season Thread

[storyteller]

I dunno Mitchell would’ve made them a playoff team at the LEAST

And beside that it would’ve been a lot of excitement and new energy into the franchise that’s been lacking for years since melo

Knicks still have no superstar player to me
I don’t even know if they have a all Star this season

It’s pretty sad.

Why let Mitchell slip away. Should’ve gave what Utah asked

Knicks have to many pieces as is to develop them all AND let the vets play with dignity and try to win and make something of the season

Now just seems like no point.



Knicks ain’t even competing with any of the above teams.

I think they're a play-in team at least, but I think it's still uphill to catch up to Boston, Philly, Milwaukee, or Miami. Brooklyn's a weird situation, but if they stay together we're not past them either.

I do agree that it injects a ton of energy into the franchise though, and there are paths to getting better from the players left on the roster. New York needs at least an all-star and I agree that it's a long shot that guy is currently on the roster. But I don't think you make a trade like that, until you're certain you have an all-star developing. If they had that faith in Grimes, then they dropped the ball. But otherwise, I think you wait until you have that...Garland and Trae Young have proven enough to take swings at Mitchell and Murray. New York doesn't have that, and you need two all-stars to compete with the best in the East.

I wouldn't be mad at swinging for the fences with Mitchell. But it would be an all-in move.

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

This dude upping old delusional tweets from Knicks fans really proving how delusional they've always been about any young player that had ever played on the team
Don't trade Kevin Knox for Jimmy Butler, it's too much!

Low key this means we have so few tradable players that we act precious over the ones we have.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

The Knicks are in this position because they don’t know how to draft and the Cavs do.

In 2018, they drafted Colin Sexton right before the Knicks. The Knicks draft Knox instead of Gilgeus-Alexander who is now an all-star caliber player in OKC. The next year, the Cavs drafted Garland which made Sexton expendable.


At the end of the day, the next we’re better off. Giving up on Barrett now is just dumb. While Mitchell is an all-star, one has to question why the Utah gave up on him at 25. To me he’s a shorter Mitch Richmond. Honestly, Quickley and Toppin should be starting. The Knicks keep drafting people and barely play them. They sign veterans who essentially take minutes away from the younger players. Which makes them good enough to never get a top 2 pick.

 

[ogc163]

I'm happy they didn't trade for Mitchell, he doesn't move the needle.

 

[DoubleClutch]

The Knicks are in this position because they don’t know how to draft and the Cavs do.

In 2018, they drafted Colin Sexton right before the Knicks. The Knicks draft Knox instead of Gilgeus-Alexander who is now an all-star caliber player in OKC. The next year, the Cavs drafted Garland which made Sexton expendable.


At the end of the day, the next we’re better off. Giving up on Barrett now is just dumb. While Mitchell is an all-star, one has to question why the Utah gave up on him at 25. To me he’s a shorter Mitch Richmond. Honestly, Quickley and Toppin should be starting. The Knicks keep drafting people and barely play them. They sign veterans who essentially take minutes away from the younger players. Which makes them good enough to never get a top 2 pick.

Well, why don’t the Knicks just rebuild and play all their young talents. Maybe just prove themselves in making the right decision and we will all be happy

I just wanna see the Knicks players flourish at the end of the day

But Cavs team got me a little jealous I can’t lie.

 

[Unfiltered]

I'm happy they didn't trade for Mitchell, he doesn't move the needle.

I kinda don't know about Mitch. In one hand the jazz never really been a SG team, they pick and rolls and switches. Seems like their offense is still somewhat very reliant on bigs.

Not to mention the jazz since stockon never really had pg, who knows how the Cavs run their offense might benefit Mitch a little more. Keeping it real golbert was also slow in a sense and couldn't move outside of the paint. The jazz got a funny offense in a sense the Cavs is completely different with scheme and bigs who could actually move very well.

Mitch might be a different player all together.

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

The Knicks are in this position because they don’t know how to draft and the Cavs do.

In 2018, they drafted Colin Sexton right before the Knicks. The Knicks draft Knox instead of Gilgeus-Alexander who is now an all-star caliber player in OKC. The next year, the Cavs drafted Garland which made Sexton expendable.


At the end of the day, the next we’re better off. Giving up on Barrett now is just dumb. While Mitchell is an all-star, one has to question why the Utah gave up on him at 25. To me he’s a shorter Mitch Richmond. Honestly, Quickley and Toppin should be starting. The Knicks keep drafting people and barely play them. They sign veterans who essentially take minutes away from the younger players. Which makes them good enough to never get a top 2 pick.

I'm on record as to saying I liked Shai coming out of college, but we had Frank and they were trying to see that investment play out smh. The real fukk up is not taking Mikal because dead ass we voted for who we wanted that year and we all wanted Mikal. I'll forever blame Fiz for that, even Miles would've been better; maybe he would've been on better behavior here who knows? Fiz took Knox because he won a 1-1 who gives a fukk about a 1-1? this is the NBA, if you're not a top 50 player, outside of a select few you're not getting a chance to iso very often. Ball screens for the most part have replaced iso-ing as a way to get open, that was some old school dumb shyt by Fiz.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

Well, why don’t the Knicks just rebuild and play all their young talents. Maybe just prove themselves in making the right decision and we will all be happy

I just wanna see the Knicks players flourish at the end of the day

But Cavs team got me a little jealous I can’t lie.

Because people trying to keep their jobs. Obviously, the Knicks have been either clearing cap space to sign a super star and when they don’t, they have do sign players like Randle do save face.


I also blame the media and fan base.


But I mainly blame Dolan

 

[RickyGQ]

Simmons and Rusillo think the Knicks package was way better than the Cavs one just off the strength of Evan Mobley who they feel could be the next Tim Duncan. They feel like we shouldn’t have matched that offer since we don’t have the pieces to contend anyway. But the offer that Shams reported, the Jazz were dumb for not taking it since 2 Knicks picks were more valuable than 3 Cavs picks.

 

[ISO]

I'm super high on D Mitch fwiw, so i wasn't saying any of those things about him not working here. I get not blowing the whole war chest on one player but I feel like Donovan is that dude. I think he has a deep enough bag to average 30 a game in the right situation. I feel like you get Mitchell then find a way to make things work; if we can't trade for another star we use D Mitch to attract another star. It's apparent we can't stretch our assets enough to trade for two stars though, so we may not have a choice but to build through the draft for a while, and hope RJ becomes a star during the process.

I’m done explaining how good dude is Knicks fans will just have to see for themselves.

 

[ISO]

 

[Wargames]

Knicks for clicks

 

[KnickstapeCity]

 

[Ironman]

The hell is that source?

 

[RickyGQ]

Do it Leon