"Death to the Pessimistic State of Mind" - Nas Voice: NYK '23 Pre-Season Thread

[Wargames]

We can get a first from Phoenix.

I just don’t think the Knicks trade Randle for that…

Don’t forget Dolan wants the playoffs to raise ticket prices. This team as designed will be in the run to get into the playoffs if healthy. If they move Randle they would need something coming back that keeps them in playoff contention.

It’s why I keep saying watch what they do with Fournier. His 3pt shooting is great, but defensively he can’t help hide Randle like Bullock did. RJ tried, but it’s a two man job of letting Randle defend the weakest wing/forward in every match up. That means Randle can’t mostly focus on his offense and be lazy on defense. That’s an issue, the FO should be focused on correcting. It’s a minor issue, but considering this teams talent level compared to its peers, there can’t be minor issues. They need Randle to not have off games.

 

[Ironman]

I just don’t think the Knicks trade Randle for that…

Don’t forget Dolan wants the playoffs to raise ticket prices. This team as designed will be in the run to get into the playoffs if healthy. If they move Randle they would need something coming back that keeps them in playoff contention.

It’s why I keep saying watch what they do with Fournier. His 3pt shooting is great, but defensively he can’t help hide Randle like Bullock did. RJ tried, but it’s a two man job of letting Randle defend the weakest wing/forward in every match up. That means Randle can’t mostly focus on his offense and be lazy on defense. That’s an issue, the FO should be focused on correcting. It’s a minor issue, but considering this teams talent level compared to its peers, there can’t be minor issues. They need Randle to not have off games.

Starting Grimes and keeping Ev on the bench

 

[storyteller]

Why is everyone saying SGA is the next move?
OKC is trying to tank too?

SGA to Knicks
Westbrook back to OKC
Randle and Fournier to Lakers

Throw some picks in there to make it work.

Who can they realistically get at this point in the trade market?

They probably can't get anyone major. SGA's name started coming up because Holmgren is out for the season already and they were bad last season. I think they'll try to compete at least to start the season though. I don't think we'll hear any major trade rumors until a couple of months into the season when some teams are struggling and start pivoting to the draft class.

SGA will cost a star value too. The Knicks need some of these young guys to pump their value or they'll be paying just as much for the next guy as Ainge wanted for Mitchell.

 

[kej718]

Start at around the 10 minute mark (dude in the red pretty much sums it up), at the 30 minute mark they talk about SGA.

The trade made more sense for Cleveland, than NY.

 

[Ironman]

They probably can't get anyone major. SGA's name started coming up because Holmgren is out for the season already and they were bad last season. I think they'll try to compete at least to start the season though. I don't think we'll hear any major trade rumors until a couple of months into the season when some teams are struggling and start pivoting to the draft class.

SGA will cost a star value too. The Knicks need some of these young guys to pump their value or they'll be paying just as much for the next guy as Ainge wanted for Mitchell.

Nah Marc Berman put an article out the very next day after the trade. As usual the media started running with it immediately.

 

[RickyGQ]

Why is everyone saying SGA is the next move?
OKC is trying to tank too?

SGA to Knicks
Westbrook back to OKC
Randle and Fournier to Lakers

Throw some picks in there to make it work.

Who can they realistically get at this point in the trade market?

I cooked this 4 team trade up this morning:

Knicks out: Randle, Fournier, Rose, 24 unprotected, 26 unprotected
Knicks In: SGA and Landry Shamet

Lakers Out: Russ, 27 unprotected and 29 unprotected
Lakers In: Fournier, Rose, Jae Crowder and Derrick Favors

Suns Out: Crowder, Shamet, 25 first, lottery protected 27 first
Suns In: Julius Randle

Thunder Out: SGA and Derrick Favors
Thunder In: Russ, Knicks 24, Suns 25, Knicks 26, Suns Lottery Protected 27, Lakers 27 and Lakers 29.

 

[Wargames]

I cooked this 4 team trade up this morning:

Knicks out: Randle, Fournier, Rose, 24 unprotected, 26 unprotected
Knicks In: SGA and Landry Shamet

Lakers Out: Russ, 27 unprotected and 29 unprotected
Lakers In: Fournier, Rose, Jae Crowder and Derrick Favors

Suns Out: Crowder, Shamet, 25 first, lottery protected 27 first
Suns In: Julius Randle

Thunder Out: SGA and Derrick Favors
Thunder In: Russ, Knicks 24, Suns 25, Knicks 26, Suns Lottery Protected 27, Lakers 27 and Lakers 29.

I like that trade…. I like it a lot.

 

[RickyGQ]

I like that trade…. I like it a lot.

All hinges on the lakers giving up the 2 firsts and going all in on this season. but they’re getting a lot of value back for it. They SHOULD start Crowder and Fournier with Favors and Rose being key bench players.

Edit: well obviously it really depends on SGA being available

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

The Knicks should dump Randle for whatever and focus on our young players; give him away if you have to who cares what the return is. We're continuing the same strategy that leads us to being a 10th seed every year please switch it up.

We have NO chance at SGA if he's available( which is a big if) OKC has enough draft capital and that's all we have in terms of tradable assets. We're setting ourselves up for disappointment thinking we'll get him.

 

[ALonelyDad]

I cooked this 4 team trade up this morning:

Knicks out: Randle, Fournier, Rose, 24 unprotected, 26 unprotected
Knicks In: SGA and Landry Shamet

Lakers Out: Russ, 27 unprotected and 29 unprotected
Lakers In: Fournier, Rose, Jae Crowder and Derrick Favors

Suns Out: Crowder, Shamet, 25 first, lottery protected 27 first
Suns In: Julius Randle

Thunder Out: SGA and Derrick Favors
Thunder In: Russ, Knicks 24, Suns 25, Knicks 26, Suns Lottery Protected 27, Lakers 27 and Lakers 29.

Lakers are not giving up 2 for that, I am not even sure they are giving up 1

 

[RickyGQ]

Lakers are not giving up 2 for that, I am not even sure they are giving up 1

Then they are dumb.

 

[ALonelyDad]

Then they are dumb.

You want them to trade away 2 potential lottery picks for that? Only thing that trade would accomplish is move them from out the playoffs to maybe play-in contention

 

[ikbm]

Then they are dumb.

they werent doing that for 2 players that would actually fit their roster composition better (hield, turner) ....why the fukk would they do that for fournier and old role players

 

[CantStop]

Then they are dumb.

Fournier, Rose, Crowder and Favors is doing WHAT for us?



I wouldn't give up a 2nd round pick for that. FOH

but then again you think 2 unprotected picks is getting you SGA while giving away Randle's contract

 

[RickyGQ]

Fournier, Rose, Crowder and Favors is doing WHAT for us?



I wouldn't give up a 2nd round pick for that. FOH

but then again you think 2 unprotected picks is getting you SGA while giving away Randle's contract

It would be three unprotected and a lottery protected.

Lakers fans are very strange. They are clearly at a dead end and feel like they can just afford to waste another year of Lebron because they don’t want to move westbrooks expiring.