"Death to the Pessimistic State of Mind" - Nas Voice: NYK '23 Pre-Season Thread

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15 years ago, nobody had traded 5 players and 2 picks for 1 player before. Then KG got moved. Back in the day, you needed a player on Mitchell's level to entertain the other team in trade talks, real blockbusters. 15-20 years ago, Mitchell's not getting moved for anything less than Jaylen Brown for example, or Ingram. Then it was the "give me a huge expiring so I can get these free agents with this cap space" era. Then teams had to draft well and hope their prospect stable was enough for a deal. Then the Jrue trade happened and now we're in the picks + pick swaps era. In this instance, aside from maybe Grimes, I don't even feel like the players are holding up the deal as much as it is which picks are involved and how they're protected.

the trade from earlier this summer went down and put a stop to anything major because now the league gotta adjust. On draft night, you mighta gotten Mitchell for young players, #11 and maybe 2 other picks. shyt changes that fast and when it does, everyone's caught off guard but that's gonna be the new currency. OKC was one step ahead of everybody in that regard and even if that big doesn't get traded from Utah, someone was gonna press OKC for those picks simply because they have so many of them. If I have 20 other firsts, asking me for 5 doesn't feel like I'm asking for much, so all this was inevitable. The Knicks just happen to be the first team getting tested in the pick inflation era (for lack of a better term)

Did you see the trade the wolves made? Scott fukking Layden made that trade.
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You’re saying the Knicks should give up more assets in a trade than Scott fukking Layden.

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How y'all feel about this:


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Dude leaves out a lotta context.

- Linsanity was a 25 game span and Lin was already coming back down to Earth toward the end of that run (this guy blames Melo).

- He mentions the poison-pill contract but not how it came about. The Knicks sent Lin out to bring back the best offer he could get from the market. Lin brought back the Houston offer and New York was ready to match. Lin's agent WENT BACK to Houston with that information and that's when Morey raised the salary a bit and turned it into a poison pill deal. After the second offer, Melo made the "ridiculous" comment and the Knicks changed their mind about matching. That was a trap deal that Lin coaxed from Morey by using New York's support for matching the initial deal.

- Lin couldn't work with Melo or Harden because he had to play ball-dominant basketball to produce. Once his efficiency came back to Earth from shooting close to 50% from the field during the first half of Linsanity, that dominance on the rock didn't mesh with anything but pick-and-roll bigs (Amare makes sense ironically).

I think Linsanity was a fun but massively overrated part of Knicks history. I'm old enough to have enjoyed the 90's teams though and I also rate the 54 win season waaaay ahead of Linsanity also. To be fair I think he snaked us in the contract with Morey though. I'm salty.
 

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You're proving my point without realizing it :mjlol:

Indy is willing to take on Westbrook's contract if the Lakers attach those two first round picks along with it. Indy has no reason to accept that offer other considering that they can get about the same value if they moved those two players elsewhere. Even then, Indy is under the cap anyways so they'd be perfectly fine with keeping Westbrook on the roster for the season and sending him home in the process as there's no way that they would let him go near Haliburton.

They just want the picks.
 

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You're proving my point without realizing it :mjlol:

Indy is willing to take on Westbrook's contract if the Lakers attach those two first round picks along with it. Indy has no reason to accept that offer other considering that they can get about the same value if they moved those two players elsewhere. Even then, Indy is under the cap anyways so they'd be perfectly fine with keeping Westbrook on the roster for the season and sending him home in the process as there's no way that they would let him go near Haliburton.

They just want the picks.
YOU SAID WE WERE CRAZY FOR EXPECTING 1 PICK BACK TO TRADE RANDLE, FOURNIER AND ROSE TO THE LAKERS. The pacers are demanding 2 picks for a lesser package. :birdman:
 

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YOU SAID WE WERE CRAZY FOR EXPECTING 1 PICK BACK TO TRADE RANDLE, FOURNIER AND ROSE TO THE LAKERS. The pacers are demanding 2 picks for a lesser package. :birdman:
It's not even the same situation as Myles Turner is a FA after the season and Hield only has two years left on their deals. They are not big money contracts in the slightest compared to Randle and Fournier. You're literally talking about $100+ million dollars between two players that the Lakers would be taking on. Not to mention the fact that Hield has been linked to the Lakers for years now.

Be realistic breh. Have you forgot how shytty Randle played last season?
 
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I'd prefer not to do the trade at all at this rate, but I'm really not understanding this need to hold onto Grimes. He's a bench player at most if Mitchell comes to NY
It's not just Grimes, it's just giving up picks that would prevent us from drafting someone to replace him.

Picks and on top of that pick swaps, and young players. One of those picks could end up being better than Donovan Mitchell (13 pick).

Let the season playout. They need to move him more than we need to trade for him. They really don't want to start the season with him on the roster. They are trying to tank to get that guy from France.

If we giving up that much we should do a pick swap for next season. :russ:
 
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