"Death to the Pessimistic State of Mind" - Nas Voice: NYK '23 Pre-Season Thread

[Derek Lee]

This nikka is the top Melo hater all it boils down to

Fields and Shump alone not getting hurt changes a lot. It would have really alleviated the losses of Gallo and Chandler and those two would go on to be injury prone themselves.

Billups>Felton and like you said we amnestied him and got Tyson.

Amar’e was a ticking time bomb but we hoped for at least a few seasons as an elite PF.

Out of all the picks they hit on Jamal Murray.

That’s not that crazy. If we never did the trade our only hope would have been to hit on the picks because Amar’e was going to get hurt+Gallo and Chandler were going to also start missing tons of games.

He could have to opted to sign with the Knicks in 2010 if he decided to sign a shorter term contract with Denver like the Miami big three did, but his short-sighted ass decided to sign the five year deal with the Nuggets. They could have used the original Melo package to trade for CP3, but keep caping for ya boy. Melo stans always bytching about him having zero help even though the trade decimated their overall depth and future draft capital which makes their margin for error even smaller.
Advanced past the first round twice.

 

[ikbm]

It shows their most effective line ups were the Steph-Poole ones.

Dubs top 3 two man combos was Steph-Payton, Steph-Green, and Steph-Poole in that order.

Steph and Poole was the backcourt most of the regular season and got good postseason tick too. They can arguably be considered for the list of small backcourts that won.

steph and poole together are better than brunson and donovan.....so why are we doing this. the majority of the time they used them together was in the earlier rounds....they punted on that starting lineup vs the grizzlies cause they were getting bullied and poole notably was getting exploited.
its one thing to constantly hard hedge with steph to not get abused...its another when steph AND poole had to do it. they had a high plus minus vs the nuggets.....after that kerr had the quick yank on that arrangement. that sample size is way too small to use that as some sort of "a-ha" point
only chance it works on defense is if mitch stays healthy and gives us 28 minutes a night of elite rim protection on top of hartenstein slowing down on his ridiculous foul rate

 

[seemorecizzy]

Stoudemire was a ticking tomb when the Knicks signed him to a five year deal Everybody know he never was gonna stay healthy for the duration of the contract. Billups got amnestied for Chandler so I don't know even why you're talking about him. Fields had the nerve problems similar to Fultz so you have a point with him. Shumpert was all hype
They decimated their depth and multiple future assets for a player with only the two full years as a top ten player throughout his entire Knicks career. And you also fail to mention how disappointing the latter half of Carmelo's career was. Those teams weren't doing shyt with him as their best player

no one thought that he essentially would only play a year of his contract in his prime. he fukked up everything

we didn't have depth. you guys just overvalue our players lol the team was 2 games above 500 at the time of the trade, and that was when amare was playing amazing lmao.

amare would of been joackim noah or antonio mcdice status( A player with high expectations who got hurt and stole money) if melo didn't come and essentially save the team. Think about what happens in year 2 he wouldnt of been playin
and we woulda been relying on wilson chandler to be our franchise player lmao

 

[ISO]

steph and poole together are better than brunson and donovan.....so why are we doing this. the majority of the time they used them together was in the earlier rounds....they punted on that starting lineup vs the grizzlies cause they were getting bullied and poole notably was getting exploited.
its one thing to constantly hard hedge with steph to not get abused...its another when steph AND poole had to do it. they had a high plus minus vs the nuggets.....after that kerr had the quick yank on that arrangement. that sample size is way too small to use that as some sort of "a-ha" point
only chance it works on defense is if mitch stays healthy and gives us 28 minutes a night of elite rim protection on top of hartenstein slowing down on his ridiculous foul rate

I didn’t bring them up of course they’re better they have Steph.

The whole small backcourts can’t win thing is gross oversimplification and not true historically. Will Brunson and Mitchell win a title? No, I don’t think so but the right pair in an undersized backcourt possibly could.

I believe we’ll have 48 minutes of rim protection on most nights.

I believe it can work if by work you mean bring us back to respectability and give us some consistency for the next half decade.

 

[ISO]

He could have to opted to sign with the Knicks in 2010 if he decided to sign a shorter term contract with Denver like the Miami big three did, but his short-sighted ass decided to sign the five year deal with the Nuggets. They could have used the original Melo package to trade for CP3, but keep caping for ya boy.

I agree he fukked up and should have waited

 

[seemorecizzy]

I agree he fukked up and should have waited

at the time he signed his contract with denver, he had no intentions of leaving and ny wasn't even on his radar lol

also, if he did go that route, he would of went to miami, not ny lol

nevermind

 

[mvp_status]

It shows their most effective line ups were the Steph-Poole ones.

Dubs top 3 two man combos was Steph-Payton, Steph-Green, and Steph-Poole in that order.

Steph and Poole was the backcourt most of the regular season and got good postseason tick too. They can arguably be considered for the list of small backcourts that won

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I'm not seeing them in the top 3 in mins or in +/- here?

Anyway, I remember Poole being on the bench in crunch time when GS won games in the Finals. Pretty hard to co-sign him and Steph were the backcourt that won the championship when their most trusted lineup had him riding pine

 

[ISO]

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I'm not seeing them in the top 3 in mins or in +/- here?

Anyway, I remember Poole being on the bench in crunch time when GS won games in the Finals. Pretty hard to co-sign him and Steph were the backcourt that won the championship when their most trusted lineup had him riding pine

Check B-R.

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The championship is a whole season culmination not just what happened in the Finals for me. In certain matchups different line ups are more advantageous it’s good to have that versatility. Curry-Poole line-ups were prevalent all season.

None of this really matters though and I’m not the person who brought them up. It’s just no truth to a small backcourt being unable to win. It has happened more than several times in the history of the game and it depends on a lot like who exactly the two players are, what the roster construction is like, and are there dynasties in the league blocking certain teams from championships (timing), etc.

 

[seemorecizzy]

Randle works best as a guy off the bench leading the second unit but he’s probably not at that point in his career where he’d accept that role. His ball dominance wouldn’t be as big an issue playing with backups.

Everyone in the world knows the Knicks wanna move the guy, why make it easy? They’d probably have to attach a first or take back a worse contract(probably both) to move Randle this offseason.

randle is not a 6th man type player
you guys are going overboard lol
he's a nba starter. fournier is a 6th man who starts, please dont tell me you think they are on the same level lmao

randle just needs to play with a pg that can control his wildness at times

 

[Big Mountain Hélà]

randle is not a 6th man type player
you guys are going overboard lol
he's a nba starter. fournier is a 6th man who starts, please dont tell me you think they are on the same level lmao

randle just needs to play with a pg that can control his wildness at times

He just need a point guard that will wave him off, but the downside to that is the pouting and bullshyt he’ll pull like he did last year

 

[Big Mountain Hélà]

Peep the hoodie

 

[Wargames]

Utah also already started a 6’1 backcourt with Conley and Mitchell

And they’ve been mid but no one really calls it out because no one cares about Utah

 

[Brozay]

Presti isn’t the best trade partner either but I feel you on SGA. I still think Zach is a real possibility. If he asks out to a destination, can the Bulls do that much better than say, Randle, Fournier and 2 firsts? I think another thing we have going for us is not many teams have the maneuverability cap wise to trade for a star player in-season. It’s gonna be difficult to get to the 32-40 million needed to get a star without giving up a lot of talent needed to contend.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

I’m guessing coli Knicks brehs ain’t on the Mitchell train?

 

[RickyGQ]

He’s gonna be a Knick. I really hope it’s not a rape.