"Death to the Pessimistic State of Mind" - Nas Voice: NYK '23 Pre-Season Thread

[Wargames]

So ya’ll know I draft watch heavy… a few things should be recognized about this year’s draft and the Knicks.

1) it’s a heavy PF and SG draft
2) The Knicks are deepest at PF and SG
3) That shouldn’t stop them from drafting best player available
4) There are some interesting PG options if they pick at 6-8
5) This is the worst draft the Knicks could tank in since they did it in 2019… RJ is a blessing because that draft was not good

if we move up all top 4 guys should be on the table to be drafted. fukk Randle and Obi can be moved if needed too. Ivey could go as high as #2 so the Knicks getting to four is a disaster waiting to happen….

The guys that the Knicks are likely to have to pick from are Mathurin, Johnny Davis, Dyson Daniels, AJ Griffin, TyTy Washington, and Keegan Murray. Start watching videos of though guys because odds are one of them is becoming a Knick.

 

[JMurder]

there aint no pg in the draft going that high where he's overwhelmingly obvious the playmaker of the future that thibs will be forced to play. so no, I doubt it.

Why do you assume Thibs needs the "playmaker of the future?" You get the best guard in the draft and Thibs will play him. Y'all forget that quick that Grimes played his way into the rotation? And he's a mid-20's pick. Obi started his rookie year with a 24 minute game under Thibs. He was just unfortunate that Randle was better than him and played like an All Star. You get an Ivey and you don't have to worry about whether he gets minutes

 

[ikbm]

Why do you assume Thibs needs the "playmaker of the future?" You get the best guard in the draft and Thibs will play him. Y'all forget that quick that Grimes played his way into the rotation? And he's a mid-20's pick. Obi started his rookie year with a 24 minute game under Thibs. He was just unfortunate that Randle was better than him and played like an All Star. You get an Ivey and you don't have to worry about whether he gets minutes

Grimes only played his way into the rotation cause we got hit with Covid and a rash of injuries. Same way rj started getting utilized on ball more. His meritocracy is bullshyt and you know it is
He has no feel for what is going on on the court. He has an inability to adjust. His principles are outdated and antiquated on BOTH ends of the floor. I like how you mentioned obi. Noel was coming into the season with an injury and was on minutes restriction and Mitchell Robinson was in foul trouble immediately. We didn’t have taj so obi was the 3rd big. Taj Gibson wasn’t even on the team then and you know for a FACT he would have been the first big off the bench over obi. Between then and now obi hasn’t touched 24 minutes in a game more than twice and it’s been well over 100 games into his career. Put the cape down. Thibs don’t know wtf he doing. He got dementia
This team isn’t great… it also isn’t 3 and 17 in the last 20 bad either. You lose leads cause of lack of adjustment and the inability to counter what other teams are doing once they have you figured out. We had a bunch of players on the court last night that didn’t play with each other or have reps together to build a rapport or chemistry because thibs is so rigid and moronic with his rotations we legitimately have guys who don’t know how to play with one another. You know what Steve Kerr does with kuminga and the lot of his young guys? Insert them in the rotation ina myriad of lineups with a coherent system that utilizes each players strengths. Thibs stinks. He can go in the off season

 

[JMurder]

Grimes only played his way into the rotation cause we got hit with Covid and a rash of injuries. Same way rj started getting utilized on ball more. His meritocracy is bullshyt and you know it is

you can say "only played his way because" if you want. If you're perspective were valid, he would've been out of the rotation when COVID was done. This man played in a lineup with Kemba, Fournier, Burks, Quickley and RJ before he got injured. In fact, the fact that he got injured in the same game that RJ came back is proof that if you're GOOD, it doesn't matter whether you're a rookie or not. Grimes was nowhere this good to begin the season. Don't act like Grimes was hooping the whole season cause we all know that's not true. His game was developed over the season, and as his game improved, so did his time...it's your belief that Thibs is gonna play the vets over the rookies no matter what. Don't act like after Grimes got hit with COVID that Thibs couldn't get away with not playing him again.

He has no feel for what is going on on the court. He has an inability to adjust. His principles are outdated and antiquated on BOTH ends of the floor. I like how you mentioned obi. Noel was coming into the season with an injury and was on minutes restriction and Mitchell Robinson was in foul trouble immediately. We didn’t have taj so obi was the 3rd big. Taj Gibson wasn’t even on the team then and you know for a FACT he would have been the first big off the bench over obi. Between then and now obi hasn’t touched 24 minutes in a game more than twice and it’s been well over 100 games into his career. Put the cape down. Thibs don’t know wtf he doing. He got dementia

I know for a fact that Obi played every game that he was healthy for. 62 games out of a possible 72 and a lot of those games he was TRASH. I was on record last season asking if there was a call from up top as to why Obi was getting burn every game when he wasn't bringing anything when he came in. This was AFTER we got Taj and well into the season.

This team isn’t great… it also isn’t 3 and 17 in the last 20 bad either. You lose leads cause of lack of adjustment and the inability to counter what other teams are doing once they have you figured out. We had a bunch of players on the court last night that didn’t play with each other or have reps together to build a rapport or chemistry because thibs is so rigid and moronic with his rotations we legitimately have guys who don’t know how to play with one another. You know what Steve Kerr does with kuminga and the lot of his young guys? Insert them in the rotation ina myriad of lineups with a coherent system that utilizes each players strengths. Thibs stinks. He can go in the off season

This is interesting cause I felt like some of our best rotations last night occurred with those same players you're saying didn't have enough reps together. I really don't think this team has too big of an issue with lack of rapport or chemistry because everyone is asked to play the same way. This is a young team...outside of the starting lineup currently, every player has been drafted in the last 4 years...and we still have RJ and Mitch in the starting lineup. This isn't the Warriors or the Spurs.

I know I'm caping for Thibs, but I just need you guys to understand that you're making arguments that have valid counterpoints. On a team like this, the consistency and veteran reliance (as well as forcing guys to earn their minutes) is key to unlock these players potentials

 

[Knicksman20]

you can say "only played his way because" if you want. If you're perspective were valid, he would've been out of the rotation when COVID was done. This man played in a lineup with Kemba, Fournier, Burks, Quickley and RJ before he got injured. In fact, the fact that he got injured in the same game that RJ came back is proof that if you're GOOD, it doesn't matter whether you're a rookie or not. Grimes was nowhere this good to begin the season. Don't act like Grimes was hooping the whole season cause we all know that's not true. His game was developed over the season, and as his game improved, so did his time...it's your belief that Thibs is gonna play the vets over the rookies no matter what. Don't act like after Grimes got hit with COVID that Thibs couldn't get away with not playing him again.


I know for a fact that Obi played every game that he was healthy for. 62 games out of a possible 72 and a lot of those games he was TRASH. I was on record last season asking if there was a call from up top as to why Obi was getting burn every game when he wasn't bringing anything when he came in. This was AFTER we got Taj and well into the season.


This is interesting cause I felt like some of our best rotations last night occurred with those same players you're saying didn't have enough reps together. I really don't think this team has too big of an issue with lack of rapport or chemistry because everyone is asked to play the same way. This is a young team...outside of the starting lineup currently, every player has been drafted in the last 4 years...and we still have RJ and Mitch in the starting lineup. This isn't the Warriors or the Spurs.

I know I'm caping for Thibs, but I just need you guys to understand that you're making arguments that have valid counterpoints. On a team like this, the consistency and veteran reliance (as well as forcing guys to earn their minutes) is key to unlock these players potentials

Nah bro. Grimes played a helluva game in the preseason against Washington where he played his signature intense defense along with knocking down some big shots. Even with that he still couldn't crack the rotation till covid ravaged the team. Don't rewrite history bro lol. I (like some here) were screaming for Grimes to get some minutes because of how bad Fournier played at the beginning of the season with his inability to keep his man in front of him & consistently knock down any shots

 

[Ironman]

Thibs also would've caught ridiculous heat not playing Grimes after covid. Fool said they found out Grimes could play

 

[RickyGQ]

I got to ask how? They are over the cap and Noel, Burks, Rose, and Fournier are all at their lowest value and Mitch looks like he is going to get paid this offseason.

How do they get the cap space for Bamba let alone Brunson?

You just have to trade Rose, Burks and Noel. Probably attach seconds to Burks and Noel. Chicago would take Rose back for their late first rounder no question.

 

[RickyGQ]

I could see the Knicks going after mamba straight with their exception and maybe he accepts to come home. That’s about $11 Million and the equivalent of the extension. I don’t know he can probably get more money on the open market. I can’t see the Knicks paying a pick for him or Orlando taking one of the vets for him.

Brunson isn’t happening unless he gets abused in the playoffs. Dimwiddie happened because Cuban realized KP is always hurt and hasn’t progressed his game ever. KP was a bad trade for them and they finally moved on.

The market is slim tho. If San Antonio or Charlotte don’t want him he can only take the exception from most teams.

 

[KnickstapeCity]

Start watching videos of though guys because odds are one of them is becoming a Knick.

You’re telling us to watch videos of @Another Man?



Dame Dash does not approve.

 

[Wargames]

You’re telling us to watch videos of @Another Man?



Dame Dash does not approve.

Yes

Yes I am

 

[Wargames]

The market is slim tho. If San Antonio or Charlotte don’t want him he can only take the exception from most teams.

I think Charlotte wants him though…. Though to be fair I think the Hornets take Walker Kessler too. He’s a white boy, good defender, can shoot the three a little… MJ would love him.

 

[JMurder]

Nah bro. Grimes played a helluva game in the preseason against Washington where he played his signature intense defense along with knocking down some big shots. Even with that he still couldn't crack the rotation till covid ravaged the team. Don't rewrite history bro lol. I (like some here) were screaming for Grimes to get some minutes because of how bad Fournier played at the beginning of the season with his inability to keep his man in front of him & consistently knock down any shots

He had 6 points in 21 minutes. I like Grimes, but are you trying to tell me that that Washington game had you ready to put Grimes in the rotation over one of Burks, Fournier, Quickley, RJ, Kemba, or Rose to start the season?



Especially when after we went 5-1

 

[JMurder]

Thibs also would've caught ridiculous heat not playing Grimes after covid. Fool said they found out Grimes could play

Who said that?


You better not say me

 

[Knicksman20]

He had 6 points in 21 minutes. I like Grimes, but are you trying to tell me that that Washington game had you ready to put Grimes in the rotation over one of Burks, Fournier, Quickley, RJ, Kemba, or Rose to start the season?



Especially when after we went 5-1

Context bro. As a fellow Knicka, I'm offended you don't remember lol

But seriously, context. He was inserted in the game during a big moment where we needed defense & scoring & he came up big. And he had a couple of big steals. That game put everyone on notice that didn't know about him. This is after he finally hit his stride during the summer league where he was struggling. Can't believe you don't remember this or how bad Fournier was playing at the beginning of the season where we all wanted Grimes to play in his spot. I know this season's been long but you forgot some things lol

 

[JMurder]

Context bro. As a fellow Knicka, I'm offended you don't remember lol

But seriously, context. He was inserted in the game during a big moment where we needed defense & scoring & he came up big. And he had a couple of big steals. That game put everyone on notice that didn't know about him. This is after he finally hit his stride during the summer league where he was struggling. Can't believe you don't remember this or how bad Fournier was playing at the beginning of the season where we all wanted Grimes to play in his spot. I know this season's been long but you forgot some things lol

No I remember all of that... But I also understood that Fournier wasn't playing well compared to any other time in his career. Yeah, I wanted Grimes to play over Fournier but I knew it wasn't realistic because Fournier was the better player. And as the season went on he's proven that to be true offensively.

Again, were we REALLY expecting any coach to put 25th pick Quentin Grimes over any of the guys who were ahead of him in the rotation in a season with playoff expectations?