Legacy
What does pro wrestling mean to some of ya’ll? Honest question. Not trying to clown you or anything but I genuinely laughed out loud at this post
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What does pro wrestling mean to some of ya’ll? Honest question. Not trying to clown you or anything but I genuinely laughed out loud at this post
MenacingMonk
Tranquilo
Why you trying to start shyt? Every wrestler or team has their own legacy and the level varies. FTR are one of the greatest tag teams of this generation.Legacy
What does pro wrestling mean to some of ya’ll? Honest question. Not trying to clown you or anything but I genuinely laughed out loud at this post
Finn Baller
Superstar
Legacy
What does pro wrestling mean to some of ya’ll? Honest question. Not trying to clown you or anything but I genuinely laughed out loud at this post
I could be wrong but I don't think Fightful awards or Cagematch ratings can put Dax's daughter through college but hey at least she'll always have her dad's "legacy" to tell her friends about
legacy talk in real sports is bad enough, talking legacies of a fake sport is comedy
Legacy talk in sports to me is valid but when it comes to pro wrestling, come on fam. it’s a little silly to me
I know some people feel differently about the shyt than I do tho, so I’m open to all perspectives. I don’t knock it…
for me, it really boils down to what this shyt is. Performance art. A traveling circus/tv show. I look at dudes on the Indy scene as performers looking to build their statuses and leverage that into more money. Nobody is working for free. You don’t have to be in WWE to make that money, but again.. making a living to perform is still the goal I’d assume. Sasha didn’t just show up in New Japan at a discounted price. She got a bag.
So the idea of staying on the Indy scene to leave behind some legacy of well choreographed matches sounds insane to me. There’s absolutely no way there’s any wrestlers out there thinking this way. Fans have lost it. These cats definitely wanna be remembered positively for their work, but nobody is trying to stay Indy to leave a legacy of good matches behind. That’s absurd. You nikkas are sick
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MenacingMonk
Tranquilo
Legacy talk in sports to me is valid but when it comes to pro wrestling, come on fam. it’s a little silly to me
I know some people feel differently about the shyt than I do tho, so I’m open to all perspectives. I don’t knock it…
for me, it really boils down to what this shyt is. Performance art. A traveling circus/tv show. I look at dudes on the Indy scene as performers looking to build their statuses and leverage that into more money. Nobody is working for free. You don’t have to be in WWE to make that money, but again.. making a living to perform is still the goal I’d assume. Sasha didn’t just show up in New Japan at a discounted price. She got a bag.
So the idea of staying on the Indy scene to leave behind some legacy of well choreographed matches sounds insane to me. There’s absolutely no way there’s any wrestlers out there thinking this way. Fans have lost it. These cats definitely wanna be remembered positively for their work, but nobody is trying to stay Indy to leave a legacy of good matches behind. That’s absurd. You nikkas are sick
Yet it’s ok to talk ratings and booking for a fake sport.
Or write paragraphs on why it’s stupid to talk legacies about play fighting.
I don’t understand the extent you guys go to talk shyt yet act like you’re cool not to talk about the impact these dudes have on their industry. Let’s just not give a fuxk about what Austin did for the industry. Ok, guys.
Finn Baller
Superstar
Yet it’s ok to talk ratings and booking for a fake sport.
Or write paragraphs on why it’s stupid to talk legacies about play fighting.
I don’t understand the extent you guys go to talk shyt yet act like you’re cool not to talk about the impact these dudes have on their industry. Let’s just not give a fuxk about what Austin did for the industry. Ok, guys.
Of course its okay to talk ratings, the biggest money either company makes is from their TV rights fees, if a show starts to slump in ratings that affects the leverage they have in negotiating the rights fees. Talking TV ratings, TV deals, tickets sold, that shyt is the only real thing about this industry. It's no different than talking records and stats in sports, it's something we can actually measure and compare when talking competing franchises.
Austin is a weird example to choose to try and prove us wrong, the impact Austin made on the industry was proven and quantified by WWF jumping back in front of Nitro in the ratings and was also measured by how many tickets and PPVs sold with him on top. Not to mention the absurd amount of shirts he sold.
FTR has no impact whatsoever on modern wrestling beyond just being another team on TV. They move the needle 0%. Which is why they should be looking to take the biggest contract offered to them over nonsense like 5 star Meltzer ratings and their "legacy" amongst Reddit users.
Saysumthinfunnymike
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Wrestling is art so why wouldn't "legacy" play a factor to performers? There's Hollywood directors who care more about the art than money.. once you get past a certain amount of money... some people don't care about more more more.. FTR was paid very well in WWE on the last deal and are probably paid well now. What's left other than the craft?
Sure you could be one of those "money and miles" people and that's cool too but a lot of performers aren't.
Nobody would clown a painter or sculptor or actor or whatever else type of art there is for having those feelings.
The "wrestling is dumb and silly" perspective is funny to me when the same posters have thousands of posts about wrestling
Sure you could be one of those "money and miles" people and that's cool too but a lot of performers aren't.
Nobody would clown a painter or sculptor or actor or whatever else type of art there is for having those feelings.
The "wrestling is dumb and silly" perspective is funny to me when the same posters have thousands of posts about wrestling
MenacingMonk
Tranquilo
There’s different forms of legacy that you seem to think revolve around one meaning. You pass your legacy on to your child. People pass it on through business. Wrestlers do it with ways from catalog of matches to impact on the business.
I guess the Briscoes weren’t shyt but New Age Outlaws are GOATs by your standard.
Y’all picking fights over shyt to spew y’all mark babble.
MenacingMonk
Tranquilo
These weirdos acting like the same Wreddit marks they clown. I mean, look at all this shyt they wrote over my use of the word “legacy.”Wrestling is art so why wouldn't "legacy" play a factor to performers? There's Hollywood directors who care more about the art than money.. once you get past a certain amount of money... some people don't care about more more more.. FTR was paid very well in WWE on the last deal and are probably paid well now. What's left other than the craft?
Sure you could be one of those "money and miles" people and that's cool too but a lot of performers aren't.
Nobody would clown a painter or sculptor or actor or whatever else type of art there is for having those feelings.
The "wrestling is dumb and silly" perspective is funny to me when the same posters have thousands of posts about wrestling
CEO of Morgan Industries
Superstar
TBF, legacy in sports is dumb if you think about it too hard. "Who is the best at tossing a ball into a hoop or hitting a ball with a stick?" But people like thinking about that shyt. Including me.Legacy talk in sports to me is valid but when it comes to pro wrestling, come on fam. it’s a little silly to me
I know some people feel differently about the shyt than I do tho, so I’m open to all perspectives. I don’t knock it…
for me, it really boils down to what this shyt is. Performance art. A traveling circus/tv show. I look at dudes on the Indy scene as performers looking to build their statuses and leverage that into more money. Nobody is working for free. You don’t have to be in WWE to make that money, but again.. making a living to perform is still the goal I’d assume. Sasha didn’t just show up in New Japan at a discounted price. She got a bag.
So the idea of staying on the Indy scene to leave behind some legacy of well choreographed matches sounds insane to me. There’s absolutely no way there’s any wrestlers out there thinking this way. Fans have lost it. These cats definitely wanna be remembered positively for their work, but nobody is trying to stay Indy to leave a legacy of good matches behind. That’s absurd. You nikkas are sick
Don't see why "who is the best fake fighter?" is all that different.
Finn Baller
Superstar
Wrestling is art so why wouldn't "legacy" play a factor to performers? There's Hollywood directors who care more about the art than money.. once you get past a certain amount of money... some people don't care about more more more.. FTR was paid very well in WWE on the last deal and are probably paid well now. What's left other than the craft?
Sure you could be one of those "money and miles" people and that's cool too but a lot of performers aren't.
Nobody would clown a painter or sculptor or actor or whatever else type of art there is for having those feelings.
The "wrestling is dumb and silly" perspective is funny to me when the same posters have thousands of posts about wrestling
Wrestling is a dangerous "sport" where people are falling on their backs and necks hundreds if not thousands of times a year. I'd say the same thing about any NFL player, fukk leaving money on the table to help out your team's cap, go maximize every dollar from something that can rob you of your long term health and well being. You know a lot of these midcard to upper midcard wrestlers aren't making THAT much money in AEW (or WWE for that matter). I'd be surprised if FTR was making 7 figures a year each.
There’s different forms of legacy that you seem to think revolve around one meaning. You pass your legacy on to your child. People pass it on through business. Wrestlers do it with ways from catalog of matches to impact on the business.
I guess the Briscoes weren’t shyt but New Age Outlaws are GOATs by your standard.
Y’all picking fights over shyt to spew y’all mark babble.
If my dad was on the road hundreds of days per year wrestling, I'd damn sure want as much money as possible to be what he he passes down more than Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards
I'm not gonna sit here and say bad things about someone who just died tragically but I'll just say I've never watched a Briscoes match in my life and leave it at that.
MenacingMonk
Tranquilo
II’m not even gonna further this pointless discussion with you anymore. Go surf Twitter looking at mark tweets with your time now, sir.
Saysumthinfunnymike
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FTR's last deal on WWE was reportedly $500000/each per year over 3 years.. something to that extent for a base salary. They had a deal before that. Then they got whatever the bag was from Tony.. they had to get some type of money off merch and other bonuses such as PPV bonuses.
i doubt they are hurting and strapped for cash. i hate to discuss other people's money on here but if that's what the topic calls for then so be it.
i doubt they are hurting and strapped for cash. i hate to discuss other people's money on here but if that's what the topic calls for then so be it.
Cattle Mutilation
Superstar
Money isn't the sole thing that motivates everyone in their chosen profession. Especially in inherently creative industries like in entertainment - acting, directing, writing, music, sports, wrestling, etc. The art of the craft is highly important and generally something that has personal meaning to the people doing the work.
Sure, there's always going to be people who just want to do whatever pays the most and don't care about anything else or at least consider everything else a very distant second factor. But there are many who value the quality of the art very highly if not even more highly than the money.
Nothing wrong with either way. Different things motivate different people. Just recognize there is a place in the world for valuing the art and not just the money. If everyone operated with the mindset of just doing whatever lines their pockets with the most cash, then life would be considerably more boring and depressing.
Sure, there's always going to be people who just want to do whatever pays the most and don't care about anything else or at least consider everything else a very distant second factor. But there are many who value the quality of the art very highly if not even more highly than the money.
Nothing wrong with either way. Different things motivate different people. Just recognize there is a place in the world for valuing the art and not just the money. If everyone operated with the mindset of just doing whatever lines their pockets with the most cash, then life would be considerably more boring and depressing.