Daniel Jones had a combined 21TD 17INTs sub 5500 yards < 83% qb rating OVER TWO SEASONS gets 4y/160M deal

[Nitro Tuggle]

It will be interesting if Daboll tries to rush him 100+ times this season. I don’t think he’ll be able to hold up so he’s going to be throwing more

 

[Avisible Man]

Name the best receiver he’s had since being drafted.

He’s worth the contract he got

In the NFL, legit QB's (which he is not) make the receivers. A legit QB will overcome mediocre receivers and make the offense better. If the QB has to be propped up with skill players, he ain't it.

If this was 1985 with those numbers (15-5) he’d be looked at as great, but not in this era. That’s pretty pedestrian if you ask me. Credit to Daboll for running the offense based on his strengths and not some ready made offense that DJ has to fit into.

"Pretty pedestrian" is being kind. The guy is a bum. Only good thing I can say about the guy is that his completion % has gone up each year but that correlates to his attempts going down every year except for last year. And completion % in and of itself doesn't speak to accuracy. I've seen it with another Jones - Mac, who is also a bum. He completes easy, risk-free passes and media members and idiot fans lose their minds talmbout how accurate he is. And I don't want the Patriots paying this Jones like Daniel.

To your point about his numbers being good in 1985: profootball-reference, like basketball-reference, has "adjusted passing" to see how these guys compare to their peers in their era. 100 is league average.

His yards per attempt are well below the average every year. His completion percentage has been below the average every year except for last year when he was 12% (not 12 percentage points) above league average. His touchdown percentage has been above league average once - in his rookie year. His pick percentage has improved every year relative to league average to the point where it led the league last year. He gets sacked out above league average rates. He's only had a passer rating above league average once, which, again, came last year.

But because he looks the part with the color, height, arm strength and running ability for today's game, "Danny Dimes," the well below average guy, gets paid and is allotted numerous chances to succeed.

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

I’ll just add cause this is my guy, and I get a 30 INT season is tough to get over (but Leftwich and Arians did have him throwing 600+ attempts that season), but Jameis had the second most yards and TDs of any QB in their first five seasons in NFL history (including 4 seasons of 3500+) . Sat behind Brees and when starting had 14/3 and NOLA w/ a 5-2 record before Devin White bum ass horse collared him and shredded his knee. Can’t sniff a starting spot. Backing up bum ass Derek Carr. Black QBs don’t even get a chance to be mediocre. Let Trey Lance been white and Brock named Bryson Purdy and they would’ve been talking about how a starter shouldn’t get replaced because of injuries.

 

[The Wolf Among You]

What slander?

This cracka only wins half his games for his career and suffered the 3rd largest playoff collapse in nfl history?

What is there to even slander? He's an empty stat padder. Always has been always will be.

Imagine a team being down 4 touchdowns and the DC telling the players...don't worry, we'll shut down the run and make the qb throw it every time and we will win this game. Thats exactly what the jags did.

Give me the names of all the qb's in the league that you wouldn't feel comfortable winning a game with a 4 touchdown lead.

I'll start. Justin Herbert.

Who you got?

Breh, I swear. You don’t know what the fukk you’re talking about beyond the scoreboard.
“We’ll shut down the run and make the quarterback throw it every time.”
No. Just no.

Our run game didn’t need to be shut down because it was already shytty.
Doug Pederson a Super Bowl winning coach adjusted his offense to attack our defensive weaknesses with pinpoint accuracy.
Lost our rookie LT and had to put fukking Storm Norton out there to be shyt on.
Joe Lombardi calling stupid ass plays.
Kenneth Murray injuring our best corner in the second half.
Asante Samuel Jr.(amazing player) being picked on in the run game.

Again. You don’t know what the fukk you’re talking about.

I’m not even saying Justin had a phenomenal game because he didn’t.
He missed Keenan for touchdown. He should’ve made that play. But stop trying to solely blame him for that loss.

 

[b. woods]

I’ll just add cause that’s my guy, and I get a 30 INT season is tough to get over, but Jameis had the second most yards and TDs of any QB in their first five seasons in NFL history. Sat behind Brees and when starting had 14/3 and NOLA w/ a 5-2 record before Devin White bum ass horse collared him and shredded his knee. Can’t sniff a starting spot. Backing up bum ass Derek fukkin CAC Black QBs don’t even get a chance to be mediocre. Let Brock Purdy been named Bryson Purdy and they would’ve been talking about how a starter shouldn’t get replaced because of injuries.

Fixed, and blame this dumbass right here:

Stinky Peterson, brehs

 

[Shadow King]

I’ll just add cause this is my guy, and I get a 30 INT season is tough to get over (but Leftwich and Arians did have him throwing 600+ attempts that season), but Jameis had the second most yards and TDs of any QB in their first five seasons in NFL history (including 4 seasons of 3500+) . Sat behind Brees and when starting had 14/3 and NOLA w/ a 5-2 record before Devin White bum ass horse collared him and shredded his knee. Can’t sniff a starting spot. Backing up bum ass Derek Carr. Black QBs don’t even get a chance to be mediocre. Let Trey Lance been white and Brock named Bryson Purdy and they would’ve been talking about how a starter shouldn’t get replaced because of injuries.

30 picks is a historic negative. That's more than tough to get over. Someone like Stafford spent a decade putting up big passing numbers and has been slandered for worse.

And since when is Brock vs Bryson a white vs black name?

 

[Heretic]

Why do yall keep bringing up Trey? He has nothing to do with the topic. Move the fukk on.

Was this thread not inspired by the QB of the team you support being traded despite not having multiple chances to prove himself such as Daniel Jones? If I'm wrong then I'm wrong, but if I am then who inspired this thread?

 

[K-Deini]

Jones had a good year last year and I wasn't even a fan of his going into it. Sick of people looking at raw stats and making claims. Since he got screamed at by daboll week 1 last year he was more than fine. They played conservative because no one could stretch the field. His deep ball rating was 3rd in the league last year. They didn't pick up his option and he cashed in. Go talk about Mayfield getting another chance before bringing up this guy.

 

[TheGreatShowtime]

I’ll just add cause this is my guy, and I get a 30 INT season is tough to get over (but Leftwich and Arians did have him throwing 600+ attempts that season), but Jameis had the second most yards and TDs of any QB in their first five seasons in NFL history (including 4 seasons of 3500+) . Sat behind Brees and when starting had 14/3 and NOLA w/ a 5-2 record before Devin White bum ass horse collared him and shredded his knee. Can’t sniff a starting spot. Backing up bum ass Derek Carr. Black QBs don’t even get a chance to be mediocre. Let Trey Lance been white and Brock named Bryson Purdy and they would’ve been talking about how a starter shouldn’t get replaced because of injuries.

From what I remember, Jameis turned down deals from a few teams and chose to sit behind Brees and learn from Sean Payton. As to why he's still there sitting behind Carr now with Dennis Allen as the coach, that's for him to answer

 

[Surreal]

What slander?

This cracka only wins half his games for his career and suffered the 3rd largest playoff collapse in nfl history?

What is there to even slander? He's an empty stat padder. Always has been always will be.

Imagine a team being down 4 touchdowns and the DC telling the players...don't worry, we'll shut down the run and make the qb throw it every time and we will win this game. Thats exactly what the jags did.

Give me the names of all the qb's in the league that you wouldn't feel comfortable winning a game with a 4 touchdown lead.

I'll start. Justin Herbert.

Who you got?

This is a fact

The most overrated QB in the last 25-30 plus years
Last season playoff loss crumble?

Go back the year before that when they missed the playoffs after losing to Deshaun Waston-LESS Texans and nobody said a word

 

[Rasille]

Fixed, and blame this dumbass right here:

Stinky Peterson, brehs

I don’t understand why he trotted out Andy Dalton most of last season. He wasn’t playing that well (just alright), they weren’t winning games consistently, and if Jameis was still hurt why was he active? It literally made no sense, Jameis is still young and in theory could be the Saints future, Dalton not so much.

 

[b. woods]

I don’t understand why he trotted out Andy Dalton most of last season. He wasn’t playing that well (just alright), they weren’t winning games consistently, and if Jameis was still hurt why was he active? It literally made no sense, Jameis is still young and in theory could be the Saints future, Dalton not so much.

Look at his pic, and there is your answer.

 

[JLova]

Probably because you’ve made multiple threads about him the past week alone, you gotta stop being surprised people are bringing him up in here

So because I made a thread about Trey, all my other threads that don’t even mention him are about him as well? Are you retarded?

 

[JLova]

In the NFL, legit QB's (which he is not) make the receivers. A legit QB will overcome mediocre receivers and make the offense better. If the QB has to be propped up with skill players, he ain't it.



"Pretty pedestrian" is being kind. The guy is a bum. Only good thing I can say about the guy is that his completion % has gone up each year but that correlates to his attempts going down every year except for last year. And completion % in and of itself doesn't speak to accuracy. I've seen it with another Jones - Mac, who is also a bum. He completes easy, risk-free passes and media members and idiot fans lose their minds talmbout how accurate he is. And I don't want the Patriots paying this Jones like Daniel.

To your point about his numbers being good in 1985: profootball-reference, like basketball-reference, has "adjusted passing" to see how these guys compare to their peers in their era. 100 is league average.

His yards per attempt are well below the average every year. His completion percentage has been below the average every year except for last year when he was 12% (not 12 percentage points) above league average. His touchdown percentage has been above league average once - in his rookie year. His pick percentage has improved every year relative to league average to the point where it led the league last year. He gets sacked out above league average rates. He's only had a passer rating above league average once, which, again, came last year.

But because he looks the part with the color, height, arm strength and running ability for today's game, "Danny Dimes," the well below average guy, gets paid and is allotted numerous chances to succeed.

Dapped and repped.

They're playing dumb.

 

[JLova]

I’ll just add cause this is my guy, and I get a 30 INT season is tough to get over (but Leftwich and Arians did have him throwing 600+ attempts that season), but Jameis had the second most yards and TDs of any QB in their first five seasons in NFL history (including 4 seasons of 3500+) . Sat behind Brees and when starting had 14/3 and NOLA w/ a 5-2 record before Devin White bum ass horse collared him and shredded his knee. Can’t sniff a starting spot. Backing up bum ass Derek Carr. Black QBs don’t even get a chance to be mediocre. Let Trey Lance been white and Brock named Bryson Purdy and they would’ve been talking about how a starter shouldn’t get replaced because of injuries.

Exactly the point. Jamieis should be starting.