Dan Carlin's Hardcore History podcast

[Mook]

This guy needs a show to be honest. My nikka be going in with the details and vivid description

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

This guy needs a show to be honest. My nikka be going in with the details and vivid description

he even does character voices.

 

[theworldismine13]

Carlin's view on this matter is stated quite clearly.
Carlin does not believe that Alexander was trying to spead Hellenistic culture...
this was just a result of Alexander's conquests and some historians credit Alexander with this unintentional result.

yeah the problem is that he doesnt provide any support for that belief, the historians are going from alexander's own statements, alexander explicitly stated that he was trying to expand hellenistic culture and combine it with eastern culture to create a greater culture

i think carlin just misspoke while reaching for examples to make his point because in another podcast he was talking about an example of how cultures mixed and he mentioned how alexander the great would have loved it

its well known that alexander the great had deliberate cultural goals

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

yeah the problem is that he doesnt provide any support for that belief, the historians are going from alexander's own statements, alexander explicitly stated that he was trying to expand hellenistic culture and combine it with eastern culture to create a greater culture

i think carlin just misspoke while reaching for examples to make his point because in another podcast he was talking about an example of how cultures mixed and he mentioned how alexander the great would have loved it

its well known that alexander the great had deliberate cultural goals

i hear what you are saying but the merging of cultures was a means to an end...not an end unto it's self via military force and subjugation.

of course absorbing a people is better than destroying them if you want to expand an empire. if you just laid waste to everything then you would rule over a whole lot of nothing.

 

[theworldismine13]

i hear what you are saying but the merging of cultures was a means to an end...not an end unto it's self via military force and subjugation.

of course absorbing a people is better than destroying them if you want to expand an empire. if you just laid waste to everything then you would rule over a whole lot of nothing.

i wasnt saying it was the only reason, im just saying the spreading of Hellenistic culture by alexander the great was deliberate, his vision was to conquer the known world and combine all cultures with greek culture to create one big culture, thats not trying to defend or judge anything else he did, but those are the words that came out of his mouth so i think carlin misspoke by using alexander as an example of that point he was trying to make

 

[theworldismine13]

Alexander the Great - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Diodorus stated that Alexander had given detailed written instructions to Craterus some time before his death.[158] Craterus started to carry out Alexander's commands, but the successors chose not to further implement them, on the grounds they were impractical and extravagant.[158] Nevertheless, Perdiccas read Alexander's will to his troops.[66]

The testament called for military expansion into the southern and western Mediterranean, monumental constructions, and the intermixing of Eastern and Western populations. It included:

Construction of a monumental tomb for his father Philip, "to match the greatest of the pyramids of Egypt"[66]

Erection of great temples in Delos, Delphi, Dodona, Dium, Amphipolis, and a monumental temple to Athena at Troy[66]

Conquest of Arabia and the entire Mediterranean Basin[66]

Circumnavigation of Africa[66]

Development of cities and the "transplant of populations from Asia to Europe and in the opposite direction from Europe to Asia, in order to bring the largest continent to common unity and to friendship by means of intermarriage and family ties."

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

i wasnt saying it was the only reason, im just saying the spreading of Hellenistic culture by alexander the great was deliberate, his vision was to conquer the known world and combine all cultures with greek culture to create one big culture, thats not trying to defend or judge anything else he did, but those are the words that came out of his mouth so i think carlin misspoke by using alexander as an example of that point he was trying to make

he made the same point with Genghis Khan, granted Genghis never historical proof that he "said" that merging cultures was his intent...but he definitely incorporated and allowed cultural differences to exist within his empire so long as they all fell in line and got with his program....and at the end of the day that is what really matters.

merging cultural identity is a tool...not an end in my opinion.

 

[theworldismine13]

he made the same point with Genghis Khan, granted Genghis never "said" that merging cultures was his intent...but he definitely incorporated and allowed cultural differences to exist within his empire so long as they all fell in line and got with his program....and at the end of the day that is what really matters.

merging cultural identity is a tool...not an end in my opinion.

im not trying to judge khan or alexander, all im saying is that spreading hellenestic culture was a deliberate goal of Alexander, i dont see how you can say its a byproduct when dude says straight up that it was one of his goals

the culture of the mongols never spread and they never tried to spread their culture deliberately, the mixing that happened was amongst other cultures and it was a by product

greek culture did spread and part of the reason was that it was a deliberate goal of alexander

so therefore alexander is not a good example of the point he was trying to make, its historically inaccurate to say alexander didnt care about the cultural impact of his conquests, that assertion goes against the historical record

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

I still haven't got through the Rome one, I find I like to focus 100% on the podcast to get immersed in the story and if I'm doing other stuff while I'm listening I miss key information and points

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

dope shyt +rep

 

[Mook]

My god, dan is an oral wizard

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[Orbital-Fetus]

i listened to the Easter Front ones today at work, i'm almost done with part 4...
i know more than the average person when it comes to WWII and history in general
but i really didn't know too much about the Russian part of the war as i thought i did.

these joints that Carlin served up were very enlightening and educational.

i highly suggest checking it out.

Spoiler

Germany loses in the end

 

[theworldismine13]

i listened to the Easter Front ones today at work, i'm almost done with part 4...
i know more than the average person when it comes to WWII and history in general
but i really didn't know too much about the Russian part of the war as i thought i did.

these joints that Carlin served up were very enlightening and educational.

i highly suggest checking it out.

Spoiler

Germany loses in the end

did you pay for the eastern front one?

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

did you pay for the eastern front one?

yeah...i dropped $8 for all 4 episodes.
don't regret it at all either. i love history and this guy presents it so well.

made my day at work fly by.

 

[Shogun]

you guys should check out:

History | The Great Courses®

theyre expensive is shyt....but I heard you could get a good deal elsewhere on the internet