Cuba sees biggest protests for decades as pandemic adds to woes

[Lucky_Lefty]

Black Lives Matter Misses the Point About Cuba

Whew boy! That second to last sentence is...really bad

 

[Oldschooler]

So the thesis of this article is the USA’s economic sanctions are not the cause of Cuba’s economic problems.

Think about that.

None of that is defending current regime or what the Castros did before that, but when you say economic sanctions are not the cause of economic problems, you will lose people.

Facts, the posted article is acting as if black cubans wouldn't continue suffering under a new political system. In fact i would argue they would suffer even more once those racist cuban cacs come back from Florida buy up all the land, and continue controling the economy under the guise of 'democracy'. They don't care about the people it's all about the potential profits of the opportunity that comes from the biggest island in the Carribean. Lift the embargo first and see what happens. Ofcourse they won't do that because it's an ideological war that's been going on since WW2 socialism vs capitalism.

 

[Arizax2]

I was in Cuba 2 years ago...this was just a matter of time

 

[Wild self]

Facts, the posted article is acting as if black cubans wouldn't continue suffering under a new political system. In fact i would argue they would suffer even more once those racist cuban cacs come back from Florida buy up all the land, and continue controling the economy under the guise of 'democracy'. They don't care about the people it's all about the potential profits of the opportunity that comes from the biggest island in the Carribean. Lift the embargo first and see what happens. Ofcourse they won't do that because it's an ideological war that's been going on since WW2 socialism vs capitalism.

Castro should have killed each and every last one of those rich white Cubans back in 1959 with the help of Soviet Russia

 

[Scientific]

I'm amazed at all the juelzing and romanticizing both sides have towards Cuba. I've come across South Florida Cubans calling for arms, and starting a revolt. So it's either the US does nothing, and that's taken as a support of Communism, or they support a regime change and get blamed later on for any short comings of Cuba. Are we going back to 60s style clandestine proxy wars?

Poor leadership, a refusal to pivot away from total Marxism, and COVID is what's crippled the island. It's decades of allowing infrastructure to decay, because its easy to blame the embargo, when they have the ability to trade with the rest of the world. Its ran by dinosaurs who haven't done a thing to move Cuba towards what the other countries have done. And I'm not defending communism in Asia, but they moved away from being completely Marxist. Even when other communist nations moved towards a semi capitalist model, the island on some twisted Cold War ideology, refused to change. Lifting the embargo wont fix their problems.

On the right side of things, the embargo has done what they anticipated it would 70 years ago, and that meant bleeding out the communist over time. But it's convenient to say they have no right to govern, even though the revolution was fought for and backed by MANY Cubans at the time. Fast forward to now, and from everything I've seen, the South Florida community isn't asking for free elections. They want the communist completely gone. I can't blame their hate towards communist, but this isn't freedom per say. In other countries, both side have been represented in elections. It sounds like they're willing to go through a civil war.

There are a ton of South Florida families waiting to go back and claim what was taken from them in the 50s, they're motivated to finally see a communist overthrow. The embargo should've been lifted a long time ago, but now if Cuba get's support? Why not Hong Kong?

 

[DEAD7]

I'm amazed at all the juelzing and romanticizing both sides have towards Cuba. I've come across South Florida Cubans calling for arms, and starting a revolt. So it's either the US does nothing, and that's taken as a support of Communism, or they support a regime change and get blamed later on for any short comings of Cuba. Are we going back to 60s style clandestine proxy wars?

 

[Killer Instinct]

Wrong thread.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Wrong thread dude

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

So the thesis of this article is the USA’s economic sanctions are not the cause of Cuba’s economic problems.

Think about that.

None of that is defending current regime or what the Castros did before that, but when you say economic sanctions are not the cause of economic problems, you will lose people.

Why the hand waiving on your end?

Black people in Cuba have been treated like second class citizens by their government and white Cubans in the private sector regardless of the sanctions.

Why is it so hard to accept their grievances are real and not imagined? You sounds like an American Cac right now shytting on black people trying to get equality here.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Why the hand waiving on your end?

Black people in Cuba have been treated like second class citizens by their government and white Cubans in the private sector regardless of the sanctions.

Why is it so hard to accept their grievances are real and not imagined? You sounds like an American Cac right now shytting on black people trying to get equality here.

That's literally not what he's doing. He's disputing the factual details of an article. If anyone's starting point is that none this falls at the feet of the US then yeah I'm gonna tune you out and attempting to play on my emotions isn't going to work either. It's the equivalent of saying trickle down economics and Reagan hasn't played a role in the disastrous situation the US economy and American people are in. I'm gonna ignore anything else you have to say after that if you can't get that simple fact correct.

And I cannot stress this enough. Many Cubans are too emotional to see this clearly and are also racist pieces of shyt. They cannot and should not be trusted. That dude doesn't give a shyt about black Cubans. Notice how that is his only article on the Atlantic.

Why does he suddenly care about the plight of black people now, but not when Cubans were spitting on black americans in south florida and constantly voting for racist people that hurt black americans?

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

That's literally not what he's doing. He's disputing the factual details of an article. If anyone's starting point is that none this falls at the feet of the US then yeah I'm gonna tune you out and attempting to play on my emotions isn't going to work either. It's the equivalent of saying trickle down economics and Reagan hasn't played a role in the disastrous situation the US economy and American people are in. I'm gonna ignore anything else you have to say after that if you can't get that simple fact correct.

That’s a pretty warped takeaway(deflection) from the article considering the article points out the embargo is part of the problem.
External issues outweigh internal issues then. Got it.

 

[mastermind]

Why the hand waiving on your end?

Black people in Cuba have been treated like second class citizens by their government and white Cubans in the private sector regardless of the sanctions.

Why is it so hard to accept their grievances are real and not imagined? You sounds like an American Cac right now shytting on black people trying to get equality here.

You not only didn’t read the article, you didn’t read my post.

I never said anything about black Cubans. I am rejecting the author’s dismissal of the economic sanctions having an impact on the nations economic issues.

You are a lazy thinker.

he wrote this

Although the embargo has undoubtedly played a role in the economic woes of Cuba, the main obstacle to Cuban development and prosperity is the government’s model of a state-controlled economy, a system in which Cubans cannot materialize their entrepreneurial energy, in which a policing regime frequently stops Black Cubans, and in which everyday items are hard to find.

he dismissed it

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

You not only didn’t read the article, you didn’t read my post.

I never said anything about black Cubans. I am rejecting the author’s dismissal of the economic sanctions having an impact on the nations economic issues.

You are a lazy thinker.

You’re ridiculous

Are the sanctions why black Cubans are being discriminated against? Yes or No.

 

[DEAD7]

Wrong thread dude

Nah he good

 

[mastermind]

You’re ridiculous

Are the sanctions why black Cubans are being discriminated against? Yes or No.

This is why I know you share articles without reading.

The article even pointed out that life was better when the USSR was around, there was more racial harmony in the country because the economy was doing well:

The sympathy that BLM expresses for Cuba’s Communist government is steeped in a sense of Cuba as it was in the 1980s—and that Cuba no longer exists. Like the United States, Cuba had a long history of slavery, followed by various forms of institutional racism. The Cuban Communist revolution in 1959 resulted in socioeconomic opportunities for Black and mixed-race Cubans. Resources from the former Soviet Union helped bolster the economy and reduce historical disparities. Cuba under Fidel Castro was a dictatorship, but it’s also true that racial equity in education, life expectancy, and employment improved for a time during his tenure.

You need to stop linking articles you don’t read.