COZY: BLM leader (Deray) lives in home owned by Soros’ Open Society board member

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It's not a conspiracy to question and analyze wether being funded by whites effects how a so called black organization behaves
This is an issue that goes back to the funding of the naacp
Let's ask a simple a question involving current events, somebody explain to me why the CBC is so pro Isreal
I'll wait

Remove Black folks, Soros, and Jews from the discussion. Any person investing time and money into another person, group, or ideology, they are expecting some kind of return, in the form of more money, endorphin, , enlightenment, karma, poosay, stronger network connection

Just because folks are not as dismissive as you are towards BLM due to Soros' position, doesn't mean they don't understand the possible consequences of manipulation via a long term agenda
Not all facts are equally pertinent at every moment of analysis
 

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Remove Black folks, Soros, and Jews from the discussion. Any person investing time and money into another person, group, or ideology, they are expecting some kind of return, in the form of more money, endorphin, , enlightenment, karma, poosay, stronger network connection

Just because folks are not as dismissive as you are towards BLM due to Soros' position, doesn't mean they don't understand the possible consequences of manipulation via a long term agenda
Not all facts are equally pertinent at every moment of analysis

Let me see if I follow you correctly

You just wrote an essay telling me that I should not think about the consequences of soros funding Blm

So you are saying at this "moment of analysis" soros being a white supremacist liberal is not a pertinent fact?
 
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The reason for the effectiveness of peta or gay rights is for the same reason why the Nra and aipac is effective, it's money

It has nothing to do with begging it has to do with buying political influence

Yeah remove soros from Blm and nobody else funds it, so what?

Who said that our goal as black people is to "focus the nation's attention on the plight of the black community"? Who agreed that we should frame the issues in that manner?

Imo our goal is not for white people to feel sorry for us, that is what the white liberals and their black lackeys such as yourself and deray want

you are willing to let white liberals set the agenda and the framing, thats the price you and deray have to pay for accepting their money, in 1916 I can understand but in 2016 that's unacceptable

Our goal, imo, is money and power, period
Yeah ok, PETA and Gay rights started as heavily funded movements, and not as grass root efforts that build momentum and influence via high profile cases. Stop it
You wrongly injected "begging" and "ineffective," to categorize these orgs efforts, don't back track now. And don't misrepresent the early financial status of these orgs to fit your narrative

You say "so what," to the inability or willingness of someone to replace Soros, but then talmbowt our goal should be about money and power. lol

Riiiigggghhhhhtttt because BLM's goal should encompass efforts to address economics and not "focus the nation's attention on the plight of the black community"
This is the type of weak rhetoric that the koon Tara Setmayer was trying to use against and got destroyed by Dr. Dyson when he said
You're mad at the NAACP is not the urban league. They all have different reasons and raison d'etre for their existence.

Let us be adults and recognize that goals could be strived for/achieved simultaneously without undermining each other


Let me see if I follow you correctly

You just wrote an essay telling me that I should not think about the consequences of soros funding Blm

So you are saying at this "moment of analysis" soros being a white supremacist liberal is not a pertinent fact?

two sentences is now an essay? ok.
Absolutely. Don't act like white supremacist and blatant racist haven't taught you, governed you, open stores in your community, protested along side of you, wrote drug prescriptions for you, and served you a drink and meal, all while you fight against white supremacy
 
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Don't think people rocking WOAT banners have room to talk about whi should ban themselves.
When i spoke about BLM being controlled opposition years ago you was all over talking about my tin foil hat...but now you changing tunes when someone else says it. VVD -taking Ls since 2011. My WOAT banner is almost up

..:umad:
 

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:salute: for dropping this ...there is very little i can add or withdraw from such an astute post..perhaps just a few observations

I agree with most of what your saying. Its funny reading your posts I was thinking, "wow he's channeling Race and Economics" then I noticed your avatar is the young Thomas Sowell. I know the history you speak of and probably have read some of the same books, but here is part of the issue:

1. One of our issues is the large population size of Blacks. With a heavily concentrated (over half on the West Coast) population and only 1 million or so people in the earlier days, you can have a close knit community. With tens of millions of Blacks across the Republic, it is a bit harder. Same thing with Jews. At the time of Hitler, Jews were only 1% of the German population or about 200,000 people. Its easier to work together with such tractable numbers.
I see your point on the whole but if you look at individual cities Black people are already marginalized into enclaves...

2. The motivations of immigrants, mostly self-selected and not always from humble, unskilled backgrounds, were different and their culture was intact. The Chinese came from a commercially advanced civilization having their own language and knowledge of history to bind them. We pretty much built ourselves from scratch and the bits of our African cultural legacy that we could hold on to. It's a slow process and not always even. Look at some of the BS and c00ns Jews had to deal with in their own community from about 1200-1800 and you can see we aren't alone in such foolishness.
Indeed the chinese came from a culture that had civilization for centuries..but the individuals coming here were not from the merchant classes or the tradesman classes..by and large they were poor laborers who adapted and transformed themselves..not to discount your point ...i do realize the adaptation to merchant or tradesman is easier to make when you actually have the memory of seeing your people do it successfully.

3. The Chinese had no expectation of integration since they just got there and knew they weren't White. We'd been fighting for basic rights for 200 years or so and though I am not in agreement with hyper integration and economically marginalizing ourselves, it is understandable why some Blacks saw integration as a goal after all these other groups could spend two generations and not have their American-ness questioned.
Interesting..thats a fair point..the promises of the abolitionists were still ringing in their ears but the Asians knew there would never be a mule and 40 acres

4. Whenever I hear about the violence against Chinese, Irish, Italians etc. (and yes some of it was ill) I don't think people differentiate transient, xenophobic violence from the outright system of oppression that Blacks were under, particularly in the South. Chinese were lynched, barred from employment etc. Except for the immigration exclusion laws though, most stuff thrown out them were mostly local or state at best. They didn't have a whole phalanx of Southern congressmen and Senators actively working to thwart any design of freedom. Whole communities weren't wiped out (killed, not internment camps). To be honest I would not say anyone but the Native Americans went through anything close to what we did and we are sadly both kind of fukked for it. By the time of WW2 internment, the Japanese were some of the biggest landowners and commercial farmers in Cali. With that kind of human capital it is easy to quickly recover.
They were skilled farmers but from what i read they leased land or registered under corporations because they couldnt own land until the late 1940s when the Alien land laws were repealed.


Besides that I agree with your ideas about economic empowerment and getting Africa "right' I have a business here in the US and am working with planning two others for the Caribbean and Africa in the relatively near future. We need more of us on the entrepreneurship and not taking money from rich White folk tip. To be honest, I could be a Black conservative but the thing that bothers me most about them (unfortunately Dr. Sowell included) is I don't understand how they can rag on Blacks not doing for themselves (or take Soros money) when they are the mirror image. Who do you think supports Hoover where he works? The awoke Black masses?
:whoa: The man has to eat and pay his mortgage...I get what youre saying tho..perhaps the problem not so much the money..its the liberal agenda tied to it..the blind trust in liberals and their programs have resulted in so much damage and their solution is always " maybe it needs more funding..never saying..hmm maybe this was a mistake lets stop and try something else

If you have read Race and Economics and the Race and Empire series you should also read The Ethnic Myth by Stephen Steinberg; it has some interesting counterpoints.
Thank you..I will pick up a copy
 

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You make too many unnecessary and incorrect assumptions about folks who disagree with you instead of just making your point. Stay away from the feelgood stereotypes and mislabels during simple discussions, no need for them
I will try...

posting pictures of a convenience store doesn't prove Chinatown was built on it. I don't need to see a picture of a Chinese bar to accept the fact whether such a business existed, but that doesn't mean it established Chinatown
The point is that in the 1890s imported goods took 2 months to get ..people need food,tailors,haircuts,shoemakers,doctors,dentists and all these needs cannot be imported..these things were the backbone of those marginalized communities..they had to take care of these needs themselves

Not incense,spices and fine imported goods that the whitefolks started buying later.
If Asians were discriminated against, employment dried up after the different phases of the railroad completed. How were these unemployed Chinese able to afford to purchase their goods? How was their local economy stimulated?
They went into other labor markets like farming..the Japanese were the biggest commercial farmers in california before WW2..they also started to produce clothing,shoes an so on

You claim my argument is based in "opinions," but it is ok for you to leisurely omit the successful efforts of white supremacy to destroy Blackwall street and undermined the Harlem Renaissance, so you could blame the Civil Rights movement, that had nothing to do with economics? smh
No i say that because the evidence ive seen doesnt support your assertions..what are they based on??

When did i discount the destruction of Black wall street...all i said so far is the evidence shows that the CRM and the liberal concessions from that stopped Black people from building their own table and wait for an invitation to sit at white mans table
 

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From a realtors website..not sure how accurate it is but they say its a $600,000 house....


..many have sold for their souls for less :demonic:
 

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When i spoke about BLM being controlled opposition years ago you was all over talking about my tin foil hat...but now you changing tunes when someone else says it. VVD -taking Ls since 2011. My WOAT banner is almost up

..:umad:
It is tinfoil bullshyt. :snoop:

It's more right-wing smear.

Still waiting on your punk ass to post your sources too.
 
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I will try...


The point is that in the 1890s imported goods took 2 months to get ..people need food,tailors,haircuts,shoemakers,doctors,dentists and all these needs cannot be imported..these things were the backbone of those marginalized communities..they had to take care of these needs themselves

Not incense,spices and fine imported goods that the whitefolks started buying later.
They went into other labor markets like farming..the Japanese were the biggest commercial farmers in california before WW2..they also started to produce clothing,shoes an so on


No i say that because the evidence ive seen doesnt support your assertions..what are they based on??

When did i discount the destruction of Black wall street...all i said so far is the evidence shows that the CRM and the liberal concessions from that stopped Black people from building their own table and wait for an invitation to sit at white mans table


For the last time. You can't blame the success of the Civil Rights Movement, for black folks' not having another movement to compliment the gains already achieved. Other groups who sought their Civil Rights also had other orgs tasked to achieve a different goal

Misleading labels and jargon like "begging", "waiting for the white mans' invitation" oversimplifies the reality of the situation

We not talmbowt Japanese, I'm focused on Chinatown only for a reason
Recall my description of how Chinatown was established
Chinatown was established by merchants that sold Chinese based goods and services only. Then it blossomed to include the mixture of local goods, only after their unique foods, labor recruiting companies, art works merchants, prostitution, and porcelain statue merchants help to established an economical structure. Then the Chinese-agenda-based organization(I don't recall the name), that supports all Chinatown in the country, was established, which helped immigrants and local Chinese folks with training, opening a business, local politics, and lobbying efforts

Despite mainly focusing on Chinatown elites, I also recognize the importance of the working class contribution. However without the elites' efforts, there would be no Chinese associations, thus no Chinatown

Why? Because it was the Chinese elites, which included
merchants,
missionaries,
doctors,
herbalist,
pharmacist,
scholars,
and government officials, that was able to have continual interethinic contact prior and during the peak of Chinese discrimination. They had successful businesses that offered Chinese centric services that catered to plenty of elite non-Chinese clients

The elites' resources was the foundation of the Chinese Associations' ability to train, employ, lobby, invest, loan, maintain cultural connections with China, and counter Anti-Chinese rhetoric for all Chinatown in the country

What makes the contribution of the Chinese' elites very significant is because they implemented group economics, motivated by an unapologetic Chinese agenda. So it always irritates me when blackfolks talk down and disregard the importance of the contribution of the black elites efforts to compliment those of the working class, inorder to combat white supremacy
 

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Yeah ok, PETA and Gay rights started as heavily funded movements, and not as grass root efforts that build momentum and influence via high profile cases. Stop it
You wrongly injected "begging" and "ineffective," to categorize these orgs efforts, don't back track now. And don't misrepresent the early financial status of these orgs to fit your narrative

civil rights are mostly ineffective, lobbying groups are effective, the effectiveness you see does not come from begging it comes from the money being spread

i would put peta and gay rights groups in the same category as the NRA and AIPAC

money is what makes the difference not emotion and begging

You say "so what," to the inability or willingness of someone to replace Soros, but then talmbowt our goal should be about money and power. lol

yeah, what is the the contradiction?

are you equating money from soros with black economic power?


Riiiigggghhhhhtttt because BLM's goal should encompass efforts to address economics and not "focus the nation's attention on the plight of the black community"
This is the type of weak rhetoric that the koon Tara Setmayer was trying to use against and got destroyed by Dr. Dyson when he said

its not BLM's goal that should focus on economics, its black people, BLM could do whatever the hell it wants

my point about the BLM is asking whose idea and when did we agree that we should be trying to "focus the nation's attention on the plight of the black community"

that framing is a white liberal framing and people that get funded by white liberals like deray will push it on black people

Let us be adults and recognize that goals could be strived for/achieved simultaneously without undermining each other

definitely agree with that, all black people should be striving for goals without undermining each other

how does pointing out the pernicious nature of white supremacist liberals funding black groups undermine black people?

i am helping black people as far as i am concerned

two sentences is now an essay? ok.
Absolutely. Don't act like white supremacist and blatant racist haven't taught you, governed you, open stores in your community, protested along side of you, wrote drug prescriptions for you, and served you a drink and meal, all while you fight against white supremacy

good, i just wanted a clarification and on the record that your position is that you think we should ignore that a white supremacist liberal is funding BLM

i rest my case
 
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