COVID-19 Pandemic (Coronavirus)
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Lakerman0834
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Tell her to brace herself because this sounds like nyc. And it’s gonna get a lot worseTalked to my mother again today. They are getting a surge of patients now. Said they have a bunch of people in the "recovery room" waiting to get a bed because beds are filling up
Asked her if any of the "its a hoax" "Its over blown" individuals had anything to say. Unsurprisingly, they were quiet today. Again, its sad it requires for people to personally see the effect to understand this shyt.
Said she had a surgeon and nurse come up today talking about how crazy this shyt is. She said they were really busy with this. Said that the hospital recently sent an email saying they may start to cut back on elective procedures again but it will be done on a day by day basis. They really don't want to go back to canceling all of them outright like they did a month or so back.
Here's something interesting I read and why I don't think we will have another New York situation.....
It seems that New York is basically what occurs when you attempt social distancing measures a few precious seconds too late. The virus was able to cycle through most of the vulnerable population seemingly uninhabited and promptly flamed out. Once the peak was over New York's curve flattened relatively quickly. They very well may be spared the brunt of any second wave.......maybe. Other portions of the country have been social distancing (to varying degrees of success) so I don't feel it will be able to cut through the vulnerable populations as swiftly in these areas and it also won't have the benefit of another large population of transit riders crammed together in tin cans. On the flipside the curve won't flatten as swiftly so lot of these places will see more cases and deaths than they have been and for prolonged periods of time. A flattened curve isn't as enticing these days as it was when COVID was considered an event that could be temporary in nature; a little prolonged pain to get rid of the virus. Now that there's a possibility it might be seasonal, a flattened curve of 900-1500 deaths per day indefinitely is a depressing thought.
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Don't shoot the messenger and feel free to fact check this fact check because for all I know PolitiFact is just a right wing version of Snopes. 
This is for Florida. I don't know if the same applies for the other states with the lopsided pneumonia numbers.
The real culprit here is the CDC and it's ridiculous data collection and categorizing methods which allow the numbers to be politicized and manipulated. Florida isn't let off the hook though as their numbers are still suspected to be falsified in some manner.
This is for Florida. I don't know if the same applies for the other states with the lopsided pneumonia numbers. Claim that Florida is undercounting COVID-19 deaths uses flawed comparison
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The CDC’s running tally of deaths for a given year can count multiple causes for each death. The single underlying cause is reflected in finalized year-end data issued the following year.
- The deaths in the 900 range refer to cases where pneumonia was the final underlying cause of death. But the number cited for 2020 includes deaths where pneumonia is one of the causes listed on the death certificate.
- Government officials have said that the national data on COVID-19 deaths is likely an undercount.
The COVID-19 death toll has become a political football.
Democratic politicians and groups suggested on social media that government officials have misidentified COVID-19 deaths as pneumonia cases in an effort to conceal the true coronavirus death count.
"According to the CDC, so far this year, Florida has had 1,762 deaths from COVID-19 and 5,185 from pneumonia. Average pneumonia deaths in Florida from 2013-2018 for the same time period are 918. Probably just a coincidence, yeah?" stated a May 27 Facebook post by the New Florida Majority, a liberal group. The post included a photo of Gov. Ron DeSantis.
The group got the information from a viral tweet by Kellen Squire, an ER nurse in Virginia.
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According to the CDC, so far this year, Florida has had 1,762 deaths from #COVID and 5,185 from pneumonia.
Average pneumonia deaths in Florida from 2013-2018 for the same time period are 918.
Probably just a coincidence, yeah?
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The tweet drew tens of thousands of likes and shares over the next few days and was echoed by Democratic political figures. Former party chairman Howard Dean accused Florida of "cooking the books."
That doesn’t appear to be what happened. While some of the numbers in the post are in the ballpark, the way Squire compared them creates a misleading picture.
RELATED: COVID-19 skeptics say there’s an overcount. Doctors in the field say the opposite
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How the CDC codes pneumonia and COVID deaths
Squire, a Democrat who ran unsuccessfully for the Virginia House of Delegates in 2017, told us he drew his information from a Reddit thread showing death data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The r/coronavirus thread said Florida’s pneumonia deaths were in the 900 range between 2015 and 2018, but jumped above 4,000 this year. Squire ran with those numbers for his tweet, pulling in CDC estimates for Florida deaths from COVID-19 and pneumonia this year. (The data for 2019 has not yet been finalized.)
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“She’s just casually carrying a body with 1 hand..? Sure.. More evidence of coronavirus being a complete hoax with props & street theater.”
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But that comparison doesn’t work, said Bob Anderson, the chief of the Mortality Statistics Branch in the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics. The issue is the way causes of death are coded in CDC data.
If the death certificate mentions both COVID-19 and pneumonia, both codes are included in CDC data for the current year, and the death will be allocated to both categories in the CDC’s provisional surveillance system, which keeps a rough running tally of deaths in a given year. In 2021, when the CDC finalizes the data and reports national statistics for 2020 cases, it will focus on the underlying cause of death, and assign only one cause to each death. In a case where both pneumonia and COVID-19 are reported on the death certificate, the underlying cause will almost always be COVID-19, Anderson said.
In recent years, the number of Florida residents whose underlying cause of death was pneumonia was in the 900s through this point in the year. (When Anderson looked at a separate category of deaths that occurred in Florida, which includes residents and visitors, the numbers were slightly higher.)
For the 5,185 figure that Squire tweeted, "many of them actually are pneumonia due to COVID-19, or pneumonia due to other conditions such as influenza," Anderson said. "But the fact is those with pneumonia due to COVID-19 would be counted in both COVID-19 and pneumonia category" in the provisional data.
So what these posts did was take the 900 figure, which referred to cases in recent years where pneumonia is the underlying cause of death, and compare that to a broader category of cases this year where pneumonia is mentioned on a death certificate, data which is provisional at this point.
That said, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the government's leading infectious-disease specialist, and other medical experts have said the government’s COVID-19 death toll is an undercount. There are several reasons why a COVID-19 death might not be reported as such, including that a test was not available or that the person died at home.
"It is likely we are underestimating the number of deaths at this point from COVID-19, but it’s going to vary from state to state," Anderson said.
A spokeswoman for the New Florida Majority, which posted the claim on Facebook, pointed to an article by The Daily Beast about undercounting of COVID deaths in Florida and elsewhere.
Florida’s public data reporting about COVID-19 deaths has drawn scrutiny. In May, a state Department of Health employee said she was pressured to manipulate data and was fired. A spokeswoman for Gov. Ron DeSantis said the employee had been insubordinate and the state denied any manipulation of the data. However, county medical examiners have reported higher death counts than the state.
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A Facebook post said, "According to the CDC, so far this year, Florida has had 1,762 deaths from COVID-19 and 5,185 from pneumonia. Average pneumonia deaths in Florida from 2013-2018 for the same time period are 918. Probably just a coincidence, yeah?"
Each number here stems from actual data, but the post makes comparisons between them that are misleading. Pneumonia deaths in Florida are up this year compared with some recent years, but the tweet ignores that the CDC’s provisional data for this year counts some deaths for now as being caused by both pneumonia and COVID-19. Finalized 2020 data released next year will list only one underlying cause of death.
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The real culprit here is the CDC and it's ridiculous data collection and categorizing methods which allow the numbers to be politicized and manipulated. Florida isn't let off the hook though as their numbers are still suspected to be falsified in some manner.
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I don’t think people take NY serious. I always said when the other states starting feeling it, people will begin to take it serious.
CreepyMcCreeperson
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Problem with that is that nobody was spending money like that when the stimulus dropped. Plenty of business were gonna go under. Especially restaurants with not many people eating out and some retailers with them being closed and everyone linking shopping. Shoot even movie theatres and gyms too. Yeah they could've given everyone more money no doubt, but it would've gone into savings and/or investments and not into buying useless stuff.
@Rarely-Wrong Liggins yeah I think there's gotta be some fukkery going on with Florida. It's like every day we keep setting record highs. Whether it's legit or just a scare tactic to get the protestors to stay home is unknown. Only time will tell. I heard something about a lady who worked for the purple reporting numbers, I think a doctor, who was fired and started her own thing and was saying the numbers are actually worse. Who knows what the truth is cuz I been seeing the streets full of people and whenever I pass by a testing site it seems to be empty.
LeVraiPapi
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St Pete is the young MAGA bots city. Clearwater too
They forced Crunch fitness to open up, then now it's looking like Crunch been empty due to social distancing and they refused to follow any rules
Why do I have to live here?
What’s up with Best Buy stores not answering the phone anymore since COVID-19? I have an old MacBook to trade in, but I’m not trying to wipe it clean yet if they aren’t doing in store trade-ins.
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if this is true, couldn't this be regarded as criminal neglicence....someone's gotta do numbers.
