COVID-19 Pandemic (Coronavirus)

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Shanghai has 3x as many people has NYC, yet a fraction of the infection cases. :snoop:

NYC alone has more cases and most countries.

They stopped mass testing in China a while ago. They only test folks in critical condition or admitted. Same thing they are doing here actually to suppress the actual numbers.
 

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They stopped mass testing in China a while ago. They only test folks in critical condition or admitted. Same thing they are doing here actually to suppress the actual numbers.


This is so bad here. Im willing to bet as well here and there that people who have other ailments who died from corona are being declared dead due to that ailment not because corona expeditated that ailment. or if its liver failure or w.e you want to break it down to the micro level of what part of the body failed instead of corona virus caused the organ failure etc etc
 

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Should've avoided this thread.

Too many fearmongerers and irrational thoughts.

Yep. A lot of these posters can go work for CNN with their sensationalism of headlines.

I agree. CNN is unwatchable at this point.


I think it's strange that when people report truth that is negative, it's called fear mongering and sensationalism. There are doctors on the front lines, medical specialists and experts and real life examples of how bad this thing can get, and we still have people who want the Disney version of how this will all end well. It's like Americans can't deal with reality. They need a happy ending, and worse, they need a fluffy narrative to go along with it. Jesus Christ, deal with it, it's real, it's happening. I don't trust anyone who won't listen to educated people about this thing.



 

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shows how dumb and uninformed the American public is. Trump knows that. Y’all got a lot of dumb people shaping the future of the country.

I thought he’d be getting skewered but Americans once again defy all logic.
American logic is about to bite them squarely in the ass over the next 4 weeks.
Stay safe and wash your hands
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I don't think it's going get better. We done brehs :mjcry:
It’s not going to get better for 3 to 4 weeks.. it’s gonna get worse over that time. But we’re not done. It’s not an existential event. A lot of people gonna die/get sick or know someone that does, a lot of people are gonna be out of work.. that’s just the reality of the next 2-3 months...

this is a terrible, tricky virus.. but praise the lord that this aint the “big one” so to speak. Because if it was humanity was not ready. Strap on your seat belt, keep yourself and your family safe and do your best to land on your feet when it’s all said and done
 

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Here is some interesting information from some dude named Peter Kolchinsky on Twitter. I'll have to do some reading to see if everything he lays out is scientifically accurate but thought it worth sharing. I pasted all his tweets together so y'all don't have to read each one.

Peter Kolchinsky said:
Here's something I once learned in virology school that should make you feel a bit better about why, unlike the flu, #COVID19 most likely won't be able to mutate to escape the vaccines we're developing.

It has to do with the fact that COVID-19's genome is made up of just one long strand of genetic material. That makes it an "unsegmented" virus. Its genomic code fits on one page. The genome describes the virus and provides instructions for how to make more of that virus.

When a virus gets into the cell, it accesses machinery for both making copies of its genome & following its own instructions for making other parts that assemble into more viruses.

The flu virus, however, has 8 genomic segments. Its code fits on 8 pages. That's not common for viruses and it gives the flu a special ability.

Because the major parts of the flu virus are described on separate pages (segments) of its genome, when two different flu viruses infect the same cell, they can swap pages. In this case, the flu virus is like one of those avatars you make in an app where you can mix & match a character's shirt, pants, nose, hair, etc to create different looks. That page swapping process where viruses exchange parts of their genome is called recombination.

Think of it this way, imagine two people with 8-page reports fighting over a copy machine. In the fight, some copies might turn out to have a mix of pages from their reports. A mixed report might have Page 1 from report A and pages 2-8 from report B. It's easy to see how flu can change it looks easily when multiple flu strains pass through the same host, esp animals.

But coronavirus is just a one-page report. That page tends to stay together and it takes a pretty weird situation for the top half of report A to end up fused to the bottom half of report B. The pages would need to tear at similar spots. That's also called recombination and it happens, but it's much rarer and harder than two 8-page reports swapping pages, which happens more often with flu viruses.

But both flu & coronoviruses mutate another way I can best describe as typos that are introduce by the copy machines. Think of the copy machine as more of a scanner that transcribes the image of the page into text (ever use software that does that?), introducing typos where a bit of smudged ink makes an "i" look like an "l". The bad scanner with bad transcription software then prints out the reprocessed text on a bad printer which introduces more smudges... and then the scanner scans that new page, makes more mistakes, prints again, etc.

These mutations in the code cause features of the virus to change gradually, a process called "drift". When it swaps pages entirely with a different flu virus, we call that "shift". Drift through typos tends to cause small changes. Shift through recombination causes bigger ones.

To the extent that the flu virus we see one year is only slightly different than the ones we've seen in recent years, our immune systems are at least partially prepared and so we are partly protected and, if we get sick, it might be milder.

Some years, the flu swaps out a page with a less familiar strain (e.g. one from 10 years ago) & we have to hope the vaccine is well-matched to that strain to protect ourselves or else we suffer a bad flu season since our immune system is less ready to fight it off. That's a pandemic.

COVID-19 was brewing within bats for a long time, mutating into its current form through typos &, to a less extent, rare recombination events among coronaviruses and now that it's here, it's as new to us as a shifted flu strain that we've never seen before, and it's causing a pandemic....But once it's torn through our population or, better still, we've developed a vaccine to this strain (and all taken it!), we'll have herd immunity to it.

And while that immunity will likely fade & need reboosting periodically with likely same vaccine from year to year (e.g. as is case for most vaccines; e.g. measles vaccine doesn't change), COVID19 won't be able to mutate away from our vaccines nearly as rapidly as flu can.

Now some will point out data that the virus is already mutating. It is. But it's not mutating in ways that are significant enough to rapidly evade immunity from a vaccine (not like flu). So don't let big, multi-branched graphs that track every little mutation make you think we'll have to develop a new COVID19 vaccine each year. It's simpler than flu.

This is the first series of info I read that broke down the differences in a way that was easy to understand.
Peter Kolchinsky (@PeterKolchinsky) on Twitter
 

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I think it's strange that when people report truth that is negative, it's called fear mongering and sensationalism. There are doctors on the front lines, medical specialists and experts and real life examples of how bad this thing can get, and we still have people who want the Disney version of how this will all end well. It's like Americans can't deal with reality. They need a happy ending, and worse, they need a fluffy narrative to go along with it. Jesus Christ, deal with it, it's real, it's happening. I don't trust anyone who won't listen to educated people about this thing.





Uh no. People can handle negativity but have you watched CNN? Some of those hosts sensationalize the news.
 

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Stop overacting breh
He's not overreacting. Our leadership really mishandled this. Look at nations like India and the UK. Their central government has put the whole nation under lockdown. Turmp is letting people do whatever and he's a sociopath anyway so all he really cares about is himself and how this will effect him. He isn't going to do anything unless he thinks it's best for him.

Due to the mishandling of this it's hard to tell if things will get under control. We really can't test people like that so we don't know how much of the population really has it. If this continues long term it will destroy our economy.
 
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