Could a top NYC rapper bring that old NYC/East Coast sound back like Kendrick did or are niccas too gone riverdancing to UK/90's sample drill beats?

[tremonthustler1]

Gotta come back to this, this was a crazy jab my G…shyts wack NY posters be some of the most self deprecating with this topic lmao

Idk no youngings that listen to Sexy Red. I get it bro you was at the Dyckman courts this summer and they played her shyt summer and it was lit.

The kids listen to straight drill rap and the 20 something year old crowd rocks with the slizzy shyt.

This show just took place in the city…how we not self sustaining

I'm not saying kids aren't playing drill. I'm saying that shyt doesn't have the kind of traction that allows people to be self-sufficient. On one hand, 41 did Summer Jam. The downside is that it's probably gonna be looked at as the worst Summer Jam ever. I'll give French this much credit: he's hoping one of these acts pop off so he'll rock with them, which is more than I can say for others. Yes, some of these dudes did it to themselves (Kay Flock, even Ice Spice to an extent) and maybe I'm harking back to a time where it was so obvious when someone had the city on lock, but there's nobody we're really rallying behind either as a rapper or through that sound and haven't had that since A Boogie and Pop Smoke. Maybe Cash Cobain continues to grow and develop (he did have one here with Fisherr)


Speaking of venues, and this of course hurts NYC, we used to have way more venues for music than what we have. losing BB King's hurts. Losing Webster Hall hurts. When's the last time someone you knew was coming up was going to SOB's? The BX doesn't even have a real venue to put stuff together outside of the NY Expo Center and we saw what happened during Yams Day. You got some acts who couldn't even go to Rolling Loud in their own city cuz some shyt might pop off. There's other factors as well, but that's where I'm going with this.

 

[maxamusa]

that's how it is with artists

you hear their influences in their music

tecca young & it would make sense you hear a.boogie & uzi in his music if that's what he listens to the most



even with uzi last single you can hear boogie influence & then remember he stays around a lot of highbridge nikkas as well

it's natural

*

I understand that....to an EXTENT


Uzi is also kind of universally fallen off....a thing of the past.


Him jacking shyt might confirm proof that he's tapped out.


But like Max B influenced a lot of MCs......a lot of people were showing him mad love in that he coming home in 10 months thread who sound nothing like him...and are Stans....from every region 2......


Like that breh lil T-Jay.......a lot of people felt like he sounded like an A-boogie clone....and people were trying to 2 die on the hill that he didn't.....and I mean cmon if you have ears its undeniable...


and breh has like 10 billion views or whatever.....


but damn even if you listen to his shyt its really low production value......across all metrics.....


congrats on the success.....but its just funny how that doesn't actually translate to global hip-hop respect. what is the disconnect?

There is a demographic for everything. an audience for everything.

Nobody is trying to discredit anybodies success.....get $$$ n clout......but if you talking about MUSIC......



but hip-hop is one of those unique things that if you really that EVERYONE who is from and lives it respects it. and it will be heard and ring out.

LIke Polo G most people on this site would have no idea who he is; but he making moves. And not for nothing his music is forgettable.


This whole social media streaming age has made things real blurred.


and often has you scratching your head......

Its hard for most people to identify even what is actually good versus what is popping at this point and/or manufactured.


like one of my kids is a huge YEAT fan.....and I like creh......but shyt.....


someone like POP SMOKE really transcended and hit every audience possible.....thats different.....there was nothing niche about it.....

that shyt was authentically it.



its weird to even fathom cause you got niche artists who got 30 trillion views.......



not sure if this making sense or not but there it is.......

 

[Sabretooth]

His beats don’t really lend themselves to lyrical rap imo.

I couldn’t imagine a lyrical rapper making better songs than Cash over the beats he’s making at the moment.

This is it. It’s his moment there’s no guy out there lol.

Most of his songs are forgettable, Chow make better music than him.

You don't need to be Lupe to be a great rapper. Most of these drill rappers are just trash fundamentally.

 

[Manolo]

Most of his songs are forgettable, Chow make better music than him.

You don't need to be Lupe to be a great rapper. Most of these drill rappers are just trash fundamentally.

Yeah, as a day 1 nikka that’s ultra tapped into everything. Cash’s music is already starting to burn out quality wise. But it’s a musical drought in the towns right now and he’s the only one with a new sound so it works. Somebody new is gonna have to push the sexy drill wave forward for it to last

 

[010101]

I understand that....to an EXTENT


Uzi is also kind of universally fallen off....a thing of the past.


Him jacking shyt might confirm proof that he's tapped out.


But like Max B influenced a lot of MCs......a lot of people were showing him mad love in that he coming home in 10 months thread who sound nothing like him...and are Stans....from every region 2......


Like that breh lil T-Jay.......a lot of people felt like he sounded like an A-boogie clone....and people were trying to 2 die on the hill that he didn't.....and I mean cmon if you have ears its undeniable...


and breh has like 10 billion views or whatever.....


but damn even if you listen to his shyt its really low production value......across all metrics.....


congrats on the success.....but its just funny how that doesn't actually translate to global hip-hop respect. what is the disconnect?

There is a demographic for everything. an audience for everything.

Nobody is trying to discredit anybodies success.....get $$$ n clout......but if you talking about MUSIC......



but hip-hop is one of those unique things that if you really that EVERYONE who is from and lives it respects it. and it will be heard and ring out.

LIke Polo G most people on this site would have no idea who he is; but he making moves. And not for nothing his music is forgettable.


This whole social media streaming age has made things real blurred.


and often has you scratching your head......

Its hard for most people to identify even what is actually good versus what is popping at this point and/or manufactured.


like one of my kids is a huge YEAT fan.....and I like creh......but shyt.....


someone like POP SMOKE really transcended and hit every audience possible.....thats different.....there was nothing niche about it.....

that shyt was authentically it.



its weird to even fathom cause you got niche artists who got 30 trillion views.......



not sure if this making sense or not but there it is.......

narratives color how a artist is perceived

pop was a star but outside personality & having a unique voice he was pretty much standard for his generation of NYC artist

the music matters but when it comes to who succeeds & who fails it may matter the least

whatever the case things never stop rolling in thee city

don't be one of those folks tuning into ot chatter

*

 

[ISO]

Most of his songs are forgettable, Chow make better music than him.

You don't need to be Lupe to be a great rapper. Most of these drill rappers are just trash fundamentally.

Thats a contrarian take Cash is the clear star and at this point Bay Swag and Vontee hotter than Chow. Cash is responsible for the whole vibe and collective. That’s neither her nor there point is Cash is popping. Other artists from other regions don’t get critiqued like this nikkas just let them live for what they are

As for the drill rappers them lil nikkas are doper than given credit for especially the initial Bronx drill wave some of them was raw

I don’t compare them to the past I compare them to what’s coming out in the new school they’re no better or worse bar to bar than shyts that’s coming out elsewhere

I also don’t compare NY now to the golden era. The city is in a better place now than say 15 years ago when shyt was really dead. The youth didn’t have an entire scene, the platforms that are available now didn’t exist, there’s a lot of representation now for the youth coming up from the rappers to the streamers, they have their own culture, they got the world doing their dances, they got their own vernacular, their own shyt. It’s really an eco system the youth no longer have to look to OT or even bump OT music

 

[ISO]

I wish cash Cobain would lock in with a real rapper. I fukk with his shyt he does for my boo pink panthress



he's just terrible n 2 raunchy on the mic

 

[ISO]

I'm not saying kids aren't playing drill. I'm saying that shyt doesn't have the kind of traction that allows people to be self-sufficient. On one hand, 41 did Summer Jam. The downside is that it's probably gonna be looked at as the worst Summer Jam ever. I'll give French this much credit: he's hoping one of these acts pop off so he'll rock with them, which is more than I can say for others. Yes, some of these dudes did it to themselves (Kay Flock, even Ice Spice to an extent) and maybe I'm harking back to a time where it was so obvious when someone had the city on lock, but there's nobody we're really rallying behind either as a rapper or through that sound and haven't had that since A Boogie and Pop Smoke. Maybe Cash Cobain continues to grow and develop (he did have one here with Fisherr)


Speaking of venues, and this of course hurts NYC, we used to have way more venues for music than what we have. losing BB King's hurts. Losing Webster Hall hurts. When's the last time someone you knew was coming up was going to SOB's? The BX doesn't even have a real venue to put stuff together outside of the NY Expo Center and we saw what happened during Yams Day. You got some acts who couldn't even go to Rolling Loud in their own city cuz some shyt might pop off. There's other factors as well, but that's where I'm going with this.

Drill been dominating NY street hip hop the last decade it’s self sustaining it’s a homegrown scene with rappers, producers, videographers, platforms, streamers. That shyt is all the youth listens to and it’s morphed like 3-4 times already.

Its not their fault they weren’t headlining that shyt. The fact Hot 97 put them there shows a shift

French is going to support based on gang lines he’s YG’z so that’s why he be with Dthang, Sha Gz, Kenzo B

I still don’t see your point in regards to the comparison to the LA and Bay scene

 

[ISO]

Yeah, as a day 1 nikka that’s ultra tapped into everything. Cash’s music is already starting to burn out quality wise. But it’s a musical drought in the towns right now and he’s the only one with a new sound so it works. Somebody new is gonna have to push the sexy drill wave forward for it to last

That shyt was always going to get played out that’s music he flooded and it’s been like 2 years already with that sound

Cash is a talented enough producer to create another sound imo

 

[Redwing80]

Joey was never going to be that guy. Cosplaying as a 90s rapper is not what folks are asking for.

He never made party music. That's the problem

 

[Redwing80]

That shyt was always going to get played out that’s music he flooded and it’s been like 2 years already with that sound

Cash is a talented enough producer to create another sound imo

Cash is the best thing since Pop Smoke. His style is unique and bytches love it. He's gonna be a star

 

[BigMan]

I wish cash Cobain would lock in with a real rapper. I fukk with his shyt he does for my boo pink panthress



he's just terrible n 2 raunchy on the mic

Those slizzy beats would be amazing with someone spitting bars on them

 

[BigMan]

You don't have to be "lyrical" the way the coli defines it (like Lupe fiasco)



max b isn't "lyrical" and he was the one.


pop wasn't "lyrical" and he was the one.


the idea of traditional "lyricism" hasn't been a thing since like 96`


I rank French high and he aint even close to either.



Being raw music and original is >>>>>>>>>>



Chinx was probably the best blend of traditional "lyricist" to modern raw music.

RIP Chinx

 

[28 Gramz]

That’s not the old school west sound though. It’s a more modern version. Nipsey represents that old school style but GNX has a lot of bay and drakeo the ruler style. The production is modern too

I dont agree with this either. Nip sound wasn't really old west coast like that, it had some elements sprinkled in but not 100% throwback.

These are examples of new rappers with the old sound...

 

[The War Report]

I'm not saying kids aren't playing drill. I'm saying that shyt doesn't have the kind of traction that allows people to be self-sufficient. On one hand, 41 did Summer Jam. The downside is that it's probably gonna be looked at as the worst Summer Jam ever. I'll give French this much credit: he's hoping one of these acts pop off so he'll rock with them, which is more than I can say for others. Yes, some of these dudes did it to themselves (Kay Flock, even Ice Spice to an extent) and maybe I'm harking back to a time where it was so obvious when someone had the city on lock, but there's nobody we're really rallying behind either as a rapper or through that sound and haven't had that since A Boogie and Pop Smoke. Maybe Cash Cobain continues to grow and develop (he did have one here with Fisherr)


Speaking of venues, and this of course hurts NYC, we used to have way more venues for music than what we have. losing BB King's hurts. Losing Webster Hall hurts. When's the last time someone you knew was coming up was going to SOB's? The BX doesn't even have a real venue to put stuff together outside of the NY Expo Center and we saw what happened during Yams Day. You got some acts who couldn't even go to Rolling Loud in their own city cuz some shyt might pop off. There's other factors as well, but that's where I'm going with this.

The problem is relying on one person to bring back the city to prominence. It has to be a collective thing. Like in the golden age, where you had talent from all over the city putting out quality music at the same time and not trynna sound like anyone else. But regrettable NY has changed so much that there aren't many outlets for these kids to cultivate their sound. That shyt is all online.