Cornel West reacts to Obama's remarks on GZ verdict. Calls Obama a hypocrite and global GZ.

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:heh: @Walt

What do you expect from a dude who played in the Matrix and tried to qualify a fukking rap album as an academic publishing?

I'm laughing at this dude @Nigerianwonder talking
about him like he's James Baldwin or something. He WAS impactful and accomplished. He's been an academically and socially useless self-promoting joke for like 3 decades now.

I don't even think I can wade into this shyt here. At this point it's just tragicomic. Cornell West is a buffoon, period. He's an embarrassment to just about anyone who really knows what is what about him and academics in general. He's a scumbag, a whore, a phony, a self-styled celeb, an utter failure in terms of his scholarly work... but he is beyond reproach for most nikkas for the same reason our favorite rappers tend to be - we just don't have many heroes on the public stage, so we tend to ride with the nikkas whose faces continually pop up on the screen, no matter how spotty their records or how scandalous their actions. West is more spectacle than intellectual at this point. He's definitely paid in full though, word to Rakim and Rich Porter.

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I just decided to offer a story of my personal dealings with Mr. West, to allow others to position it against his doctrines, values, rhetoric and damming of others as "hypocrites". If you feel I made the story up simply to throw shade on Mr. West, you are free to conclude what you wish. As far as the issues raised by West they arent meritless, but its hard for me to shake this idea that hes fallen in love with being a provocative critic of Obama. He oversimplifies Obama's role, and our impossible political environment. His critiques are often too one-dimensional.

Fair enough, may I ask you what is being oversimplified?

We know, through the White House, that the president authorizes every single drone strike. There is no oversimplifying there.

We know, through government admission and independent verification that we sometimes drone people we are not sure are terrorists, and that merely fit a criteria of belonging to a certain religion, age group and occupying a certain physical space we deem to be suspicious.

Isn't that profiling in every sense of the word?
 

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I don't even think I can wade into this shyt here. At this point it's just tragicomic. Cornell West is a buffoon, period. He's an embarrassment to just about anyone who really knows what is what about him and academics in general. He's a scumbag, a whore, a phony, a self-styled celeb, an utter failure in terms of his scholarly work... but he is beyond reproach for most nikkas for the same reason our favorite rappers tend to be - we just don't have many heroes on the public stage, so we tend to ride with the nikkas whose faces continually pop up on the screen, no matter how spotty their records or how scandalous their actions. West is more spectacle than intellectual at this point. He's definitely pain in full though, word to Rakim and Rich Porter.

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:damn: Did the nikka fukk your mom and never called back? Why such vitirol for the esteemed professor that is Dr. West?

nikkas always trying to needlessly shyt on esteemed leasers of the African American community.
 

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What a world we live in where an esteemed professor and actual activist is demeaned to protect the leader of a status quo that engages in criminal behavior, both here and abroad.

I feel like I'm in Bizarro world. Where one is labeled a money-hungry, whore, self-styled celeb and a person who leads illegal drone strikes, a drug war, illegal spying, torture, indefinite detention and excuses wall street crimes is the hero.

We are truly lost.
 

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:damn: Did the nikka fukk your mom and never called back? Why such vitirol for the esteemed professor that is Dr. West?

nikkas always trying to needlessly shyt on esteemed leasers of the African American community.

One of the most brilliant, unintentionally accurate typos of all time, my man.

I don't know what to do with the first question. It's kind of stale in terms of humor, and from the angle of seriously discussing Cornell West as a leader, scholar, or anything else it's just trite. I don't care one way or another about him criticizing Obama, by the way. I was heartened by Obama's election because it gave me hope that there were enough citizens willing to vote for a black dude with somewhat liberal policies and a foreign-sounding name. But in general I view him as a talking ass nikka, he doesn't thrill me. He's often a politician in the worst sense of the word. I think it's clear that West's frequent and over-the-top rants about him are driven by something other than concern for societal well-being. He caught a cold shoulder where he was expecting a warm, lucrative, and prestigious embrace. His fragile, petty ego wasn't about to stand for that. It's been on ever since.

I would love for you to edify me as far as West's qualifications as a leader and scholar. I actually have been in rooms with the man several times, was mentored by a former colleague and close friend of his (who has completely cut ties with him), and one of my homeboys studied with him around the time he got one of his grad students pregnant. He's pretty much a cliche example of a man whose insecurities and vanity won out over his integrity.
 

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some of you dudes are funny, just like cornell. he comes off like a pretentious prick when talking about obama being a failure for black people or "global gz". as "scholarly" as he is you'd think he'd be more measured or realistic in his criticisms.

obama isn't perfect and i wouldn't be the first or last to admit it. i've been pretty disappointed he hasn't kept some of his campaign pledges (so far) and he's even kowtowed to the right on some issues i think he should have stood his ground on. i'm also a realist though. i can acknowledge that he's had to sacrifice some of his principles for the greater good, even though it wasn't really greater for black people. government gridlock and non-compromise would have hurt the entire country way worse than anyone can imagine. and we all know which demographic usually gets the worst of it. you guys seen it. the 'right' was willing to go all the way with letting the us implode. they would be perfectly fine cutting off the country's nose just to spite our face. i really believe they couldn't care less if the us absolutely implodes just so they could blame obama.

they hate him and the fact that he identifies as a black man and he's in the top leadership position in the country. they hate him more than their supposed love for the country. and here some of you guys, in addition to the talking heads like cornell, act like obama is a black community superhero who's refusing to use his superhero powers to help us out. come on, son. really? you dudes know better. call him out for what he's not doing good. but let's talk about solutions too and what we should be doing.
 

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I hate to say it, but a lot of you nikkaz are c00ns. Just rats marching to the tune of Obama's flute. Its simple things youre missing; like the president isnt supposed to address concerns of a large voting block. But what's even worse is that the bytch nikka actually hurt the cause by putting a mainstream black face to the process of b*stardizing and marginalizing our concerns. He didnt help shyt he hurt it. He is in a position of power and has the ear of the nation... and he cant speak on actual issues of ours that he fukkin knows are legit, and instead pushed that shyt out of the public eye and makes it seem absurd? Yall will let anything slide as long as they do it with a black face.

Real talk Obama is on some Uncle Ruckus shyt. Yeah, I voted for the nikka, and if the right keeps their current MO up I would do it again or not vote at all. Cuz we cant afford to have the most prominent black man pushing our legit concerns to the margins of society. Thats some c00n shyt. Wake the fukk up sambos.
 

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The thing that irks me about people's reactions to Cornell West's criticism of Obama is that it is always treated like he is some sort of butthurt jealous old crab who has no validity in his arguments and also would not be saying the exact same thing about any other president if they were doing the same thing as Obama in terms of targeted drone strikes.
West was a constant critic of GW Bush and no one who is denigrating the man now would have been anything but complimentary about those attacks on The Shrub but his attacking Obama over the same policies gets an entirely different reaction.
At some point the overwhelming need to be protective of Obama needs to fall by the wayside...he got his second term, his place in history is secure. Now how about stopping with the constant legitimizing of the "Myth of the Powerless President" ("Obama can't do anything because Congress is against him and the Republicans are a bunch of meanies!") meme that only became a go to talking point once Obama became president and actually hold his feet to the fire when he does crappy stuff.
 

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The thing that irks me about people's reactions to Cornell West's criticism of Obama is that it is always treated like he is some sort of butthurt jealous old crab who has no validity in his arguments and also would not be saying the exact same thing about any other president if they were doing the same thing as Obama in terms of targeted drone strikes.
West was a constant critic of GW Bush and no one who is denigrating the man now would have been anything but complimentary about those attacks on The Shrub but his attacking Obama over the same policies gets an entirely different reaction.
At some point the overwhelming need to be protective of Obama needs to fall by the wayside...he got his second term, his place in history is secure. Now how about stopping with the constant legitimizing of the "Myth of the Powerless President" ("Obama can't do anything because Congress is against him and the Republicans are a bunch of meanies!") meme that only became a go to talking point once Obama became president and actually hold his feet to the fire when he does crappy stuff.
Dr West has been a longstanding critic of American policies since well before Obama, nikkaz just agreed or didnt know about it because they didnt care. But now that the president is black nikkaz wanna defend the same shyt we used to condemn from white people. shyts like bizarro world to me. nikkaz actually in this bytch defending the US government :comeon:.

And I wouldnt say Obama is powerless, but he does appear to be the most hated and repub fakkets do refuse to cooperate even in the slightest bit with him. Their position is exactly the opposite of whatever his position is. I dont need to ask them how they feel, I know it by knowing what Obama's is. And we all know why that is, but Obama refuses to address the shyt and actually pushed such concerns to the margins of society when he threw the good Rev under the Bush. He made the concerns of Rev Wright, Farrakhan, and basically mainstream thought in the black community into some sort of extremest viewpoint that is invalid WHEN HE KNEW GOOD AND GODDAMN WELL THE shyt WAS THE fukkIN TRUTH.

Obama is a c00n.
 

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its the perception that hurts his credibility, Obama does something, 2 minutes later here come Tavis and the dr bashing him, just like clockwork.
Watching his cnn appearance after the 'Trayvon speech' the talking head asks him to comment, knowing full well that he will be critical, which is the reason he was booked in the first place, and he sheepishly obliges, admitting that its all shtick.
And just like the republicans, at some point you lose all credibility and people begin to ignore you...which is the theme that runs through this thread
 

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The thing that irks me about people's reactions to Cornell West's criticism of Obama is that it is always treated like he is some sort of butthurt jealous old crab who has no validity in his arguments and also would not be saying the exact same thing about any other president if they were doing the same thing as Obama in terms of targeted drone strikes.
West was a constant critic of GW Bush and no one who is denigrating the man now would have been anything but complimentary about those attacks on The Shrub but his attacking Obama over the same policies gets an entirely different reaction.
At some point the overwhelming need to be protective of Obama needs to fall by the wayside...he got his second term, his place in history is secure. Now how about stopping with the constant legitimizing of the "Myth of the Powerless President" ("Obama can't do anything because Congress is against him and the Republicans are a bunch of meanies!") meme that only became a go to talking point once Obama became president and actually hold his feet to the fire when he does crappy stuff.


Amen
 

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Apparently black folk need to pick themselves up by their boot straps and stop all the whining and complaining....


So did you miss the part where is said he is gonna fight for equality, for justice and to march on? To march with him and not just ta;l and complain but actaully do something about the problems we face? :wtf: You missed all that?
 

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So did you miss the part where is said he is gonna fight for equality, for justice and to march on? To march with him and not just ta;l and complain but actaully do something about the problems we face? :wtf: You missed all that?
meanwhile he shyts on the voices of that march... Rev Wright. Louis Farrakhan... Me... Every non-c00n in this country. What the fukk is there to march for if he doesnt agree with what Rev Wright was saying? What is he marching for?
 
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