Copa América 2024 [6/20-7/14] “Coming 2 America” (Final: Argentina/Colombia)

[Kunty McPhuck]

Oh I know breh I was just saying first we have to build that culture then it will happen

By the time you wait for a culture. Youve allowed hundreds and thousands of kids to go to waste by not teaching them how to improve fundamentally that can be taught for free. These little phuckers are smart these days they process information alot more quicker in some aspects.

 

[IIVI]

You guys think too big. You don't need that much space to play football. Jumpers and bags for goal posts. Using trees for goal posts as well

Literally anyone who has played football as a kid played small sided games in the street/road up the parks etc. Anywhere that had a flattish surface grass concrete etc been used. As kids we use to play matches on a pitch that was half the size of a basketball court. The kids in Holland learnt how to play football on cobbled roads.

Yup.

Regulation basketball hoops are built a certain way as there's a component of the material the hoop is made out of. There's far less accessibility in basketball than soccer.

Soccer goals are more about dimensions: height and width. If you can simulate height and width with any materials and items whatsoever you have a regulation goal, regardless of what you use to build it.

However, putting up a hoop made of cardboard and plastic baskets will not give you good practice for your jump shot even if it's a regulation 10 ft. in height compared to the actual city-built gym. There are far more accessibility issues when it comes to practice scoring in basketball vs soccer.

 

[Bigwhite2498]

By the time you wait for a culture. Youve allowed hundreds and thousands of kids to go to waste by not teaching them how to improve fundamentally that can be taught for free. These little phuckers are smart these days they process information alot more quicker in some aspects.

Ok so then how you just gonna get them to up and play just roll a ball out there lmao

 

[chkmeout]

Plus, I think many of you are also not accounting for the modern era.

Tiktok, Youtube, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit, etc. there are many avenues for these kids where soccer shows up all the time.

We live in an age where you don't have to be watching ESPN to get sports.

The people now more than ever can decide the content they want to watch and communities they want to be a part of.

It's a major sport, but Soccer just don't hit the same here.

You yapping a lot....

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

Yup.

Regulation basketball hoops are built a certain way as there's a component of the material the hoop is made out of. There's far less accessibility in basketball than soccer.

Soccer goals are more about dimensions: height and width. If you can simulate height and width with any materials and items whatsoever you have a regulation goal, regardless of what you use to build it.

However, putting up a hoop made of cardboard and plastic baskets will not give you good practice for your jump shot even if it's a regulation 10 ft. in height compared to the actual city-built gym. There are far more accessibility issues when it comes to practice scoring in basketball vs soccer.

We used tennis balls to practice dribbling touch and control. Use to throw them up against a wall and the learn how to trap the rebound with the chest thigh and foot. This is all basic stuff. But all I hear is if our best athletes took it up from a young age. Like they need to have a an football pitch like there are bsketbll courts before they can improve their skills is nonsense to me.

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

Ok so then how you just gonna get them to up and play just roll a ball out there lmao

With all due respect you have an lack of imagination on this.

Well you start with the kids who already play the game to begin with. If countries with a population of less than 5m can produce good footballers then you don't need the 330m+ of the American population to be interested in it you just need the ones already playing the game. Its about developing what you already have. Not trying to find athletes from other sports.

 

[IIVI]

We used tennis balls to practice dribbling touch and control. Use to throw them up against a wall and the learn how to trap the rebound with the chest thigh and foot. This is all basic stuff. But all I hear is if our best athletes took it up from a young age. Like they need to have a an football pitch like there are bsketbll courts before they can improve their skills is nonsense to me.

Yeah it's crazy, soccer is probably the most accessible team sport to play in the world and you can practice individual skills dang near anywhere.

People practicing this shyt on the beach with dogs.



Any single place in the world where you can practice football, basketball, football, etc. you can practice an aspect of soccer but not the same vice versa.

Because there's no pounding of a basketball, you won't even bother as many family or neighbors with the noise either like echoing dribbling sounds when someone is practicing their crossovers. You can practice this shyt all hours of the day.

The only obstacle is people not doing it.

That doesn't got anything to do with TV, the city, the government, programs, USMNT, Premier League, none of that. Those are basically excuses.

If people really dive in deep with soccer and cultivate a talent in it, then like basketball and every other organized sport you'll have organizations throw money at them to build them up if they can't afford it. There's a whole lot of money to be made in sports for the non-players, so of course they're going to be looking for talent.

 

[Bigwhite2498]

With all due respect you have an lack of imagination on this.

Well you start with the kids who already play the game to begin with. If countries with a population of less than 5m can produce good footballers then you don't need the 330m+ of the American population to be interested in it you just need the ones already playing the game. Its about developing what you already have. Not trying to find athletes from other sports.

With all due respect to you developing those kids is the product we already have so yes we do need to expand our base. We get fourth rate athletes those with 5 million are getting their top athletes. To think it’s only a development problem is ludicrous considering pretty much this entire national team has be developed by the top academies here or sent abroad to top programs

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

Yeah it's crazy, soccer is probably the most accessible team sport to play in the world and you can practice individual skills dang near anywhere.

People practicing this shyt on the beach with dogs.


Any single place in the world where you can practice basketball, you can practice an aspect of soccer but not the same vice versa.

The only obstacle if people doing it. That doesn't got anything to do with TV, the city, none of that.

The old school Brazilians like Pele and Jairzinho learnt how to play football by stuffing newspaper into their socks. To use the eggs and omelette idiom. You got a smash a few pictures and take few beatings to make sure your control becomes better while playing football in the home.

 

[Black Magisterialness]

Basketball got so big compared to soccer because people like the way basketball looks more than soccer, that's all there is to it.

You can't force people to like a sport, much less an entire country.

Basketball got big because of MARKETING. The NBA was a side show compared to baseball until the 80's when there was a clear effort to market the game through the inner-city. Courts at local parks nationally exploded over the late 70's early 80's and then Nike realized that they could make billions off black culture. The NFL did the exact same thing in the late 90s.

Meanwhile soccer is CULTURAL in other parts of the world. It's not just a game. It's wound up in cultural, sectarian and even racial lines in some places. Real Madrid and Barcelona aren't just rivals because of games. They are rivals because Madrid supporters were often members of the fascist Franco regime and Barca supporters were Catalan separatists and artists. We don't have shyt like that over here.

It's as accessible as anything else. So I don't buy that argument.
Most places that have a basketball court, you can set up soccer.
shyt, you can play soccer on a basketball court like they do in other countries.

The Women's National Team won a World Cup and were dominating.
Their impact was nothing near what Caitlin Clark did recently.

We just don't care about the sport organically like that. The culture here don't rock with it. It's that simple.

NBA level players ain't made on the playground. If that was the case more And1 cats woulda made it to the league in the 2000's. Just like Soccer, in America, you better be getting into an elite middle/high school/college program or your shot at making the league is infinitesimal. Not to mention the summer leagues, travel leagues and personal work outs kids get to be elite. No it's NOT accessible to "make it" in the NBA.
Also, soccer had it's Caitlin Clark moment and that was in 1999. Without that team the USWNT isn't the most dominant force in women's sports today.


There is literally NO women's team that has the same cultural cache globally as them. Period. Also, "the culture" doesn't rock with it because we don't get exposed to it and don't see ourselves in it. Leading back to my issue of development.

I mean it's easier to play soccer than basketball.

The city got to build a basketball hoop.

You need a soccer ball and two cones to play soccer.

Basketball is more enticing to play because it's easier to play as you can use your hands, which feels much more natural for a human being.

This is a crock of shyt in America. Again, you cannot learn what it takes to be elite in soccer without training. Kids in Brazil and France and Africa were being plucked up at the ages of 9 and 10 and thrown into academies. There's not many examples of some dude playing on the streets of Rio and being offered a contract to Chelsea as a 20 year old.

"More natural to a human being" when literally everyone on Earth plays soccer as it's primary sport? 300 million vs 6.7 BILLION. The numbers say soccer is the more "natural" sport to humans if that's the case.

You're just talking out of your ass.

 

[jwonder]

Uruguay got this

Viva Colombia.....Weupa!

 

[Bigwhite2498]

Basketball got big because of MARKETING. The NBA was a side show compared to baseball until the 80's when there was a clear effort to market the game through the inner-city. Courts at local parks nationally exploded over the late 70's early 80's and then Nike realized that they could make billions off black culture. The NFL did the exact same thing in the late 90s.

Meanwhile soccer is CULTURAL in other parts of the world. It's not just a game. It's wound up in cultural, sectarian and even racial lines in some places. Real Madrid and Barcelona aren't just rivals because of games. They are rivals because Madrid supporters were often members of the fascist Franco regime and Barca supporters were Catalan separatists and artists. We don't have shyt like that over here.



NBA level players ain't made on the playground. If that was the case more And1 cats woulda made it to the league in the 2000's. Just like Soccer, in America, you better be getting into an elite middle/high school/college program or your shot at making the league is infinitesimal. Not to mention the summer leagues, travel leagues and personal work outs kids get to be elite. No it's NOT accessible to "make it" in the NBA.
Also, soccer had it's Caitlin Clark moment and that was in 1999. Without that team the USWNT isn't the most dominant force in women's sports today.


There is literally NO women's team that has the same cultural cache globally as them. Period. Also, "the culture" doesn't rock with it because we don't get exposed to it and don't see ourselves in it. Leading back to my issue of development.




This is a crock of shyt in America. Again, you cannot learn what it takes to be elite in soccer without training. Kids in Brazil and France and Africa were being plucked up at the ages of 9 and 10 and thrown into academies. There's not many examples of some dude playing on the streets of Rio and being offered a contract to Chelsea as a 20 year old.

"More natural to a human being" when literally everyone on Earth plays soccer as it's primary sport? 300 million vs 6.7 BILLION. The numbers say soccer is the more "natural" sport to humans if that's the case.

You're just talking out of your ass.

Thank you this what I keep saying this whole time but they keep saying marketing don’t matter they just don’t wanna play like how you gonna grow with no marketing we have to build a culture lil kids not gon play just because. We obviously aren’t getting close to our best

 

[IIVI]

Basketball got big because of MARKETING. The NBA was a side show compared to baseball until the 80's when there was a clear effort to market the game through the inner-city. Courts at local parks nationally exploded over the late 70's early 80's and then Nike realized that they could make billions off black culture. The NFL did the exact same thing in the late 90s.

Meanwhile soccer is CULTURAL in other parts of the world. It's not just a game. It's wound up in cultural, sectarian and even racial lines in some places. Real Madrid and Barcelona aren't just rivals because of games. They are rivals because Madrid supporters were often members of the fascist Franco regime and Barca supporters were Catalan separatists and artists. We don't have shyt like that over here.



NBA level players ain't made on the playground. If that was the case more And1 cats woulda made it to the league in the 2000's. Just like Soccer, in America, you better be getting into an elite middle/high school/college program or your shot at making the league is infinitesimal. Not to mention the summer leagues, travel leagues and personal work outs kids get to be elite. No it's NOT accessible to "make it" in the NBA.
Also, soccer had it's Caitlin Clark moment and that was in 1999. Without that team the USWNT isn't the most dominant force in women's sports today.


There is literally NO women's team that has the same cultural cache globally as them. Period. Also, "the culture" doesn't rock with it because we don't get exposed to it and don't see ourselves in it. Leading back to my issue of development.




This is a crock of shyt in America. Again, you cannot learn what it takes to be elite in soccer without training. Kids in Brazil and France and Africa were being plucked up at the ages of 9 and 10 and thrown into academies. There's not many examples of some dude playing on the streets of Rio and being offered a contract to Chelsea as a 20 year old.

"More natural to a human being" when literally everyone on Earth plays soccer as it's primary sport? 300 million vs 6.7 BILLION. The numbers say soccer is the more "natural" sport to humans if that's the case.

You're just talking out of your ass.

Stop with the excuses man.







Do people not have 5 feet of room to themselves now to practice day and night?

Like I get the aspect of team play, but it also comes down to how much people practice on individual levels.

You don't need world class facilities. You have the internet and a soccer ball. You can work on your game plenty just like kids out there with less doing it.

There are some kids out there right now who are going to make it and have made it because of the drills they got on the internet.

Like people bringing up marketing and shyt, come on.

You work on skills, get them right and show up to play somewhere and connections will start forming.

 

[Bigwhite2498]

Stop with the excuses man.







Do people not have 5 feet of room to themselves now to practice day and night?

Like I get the aspect of team play, but it also comes down to how much people practice on individual levels.

You don't need world class facilities. You have the internet and a soccer ball. You can work on your game plenty just like kids out there with less doing it.

There are some kids out there right now who are going to make it and have made it because of the drills they got on the internet.

Like people bringing up marketing and shyt, come on.

You work on skills, get them right and show up to play somewhere and connections will start forming.

We bring up marketing because kids aren’t just gonna start looking up damn soccer drills outta the blue. Soccer in America is a rich mans sport as of right now That’s why we are where we are

 

[hashmander]

so other countries are developing their top players in professional academies and all american kids need is a ball and a 5x5 space to master the ball and they'll be alright.