Essential Conspiracy Thread

[Type Username Here]

so the way in which they are passing laws and pushin this agenda doesnt bother you

The forcing of the agenda doesn't bother me, but I definitely notice it. I think the laws are correct.

its too blantant imo not to be an agenda

It's definitely an agenda. It doesn't mean the agenda is wrong though.

and you right video games and drugs might not benefit society but at the same time they arent being pushed on us

Uhhh....yeah. They are definitely pushed on you. I think you are being a bit dishonest to make a point, which is sad because I thought we could engage in an honest discourse.

we make conscious decisons to play video games and do drugs

Yes, and people should make conscious decisions on who to love, as long as the other person consents to being in that relationship, and has the legal authority to consent.

if your child goes to school and has a gay man/woman preachin or teaching to them about gay rights( using an extreme example)
would you consider that to be a conscious decision that your child has made to be around that?

IMO, I don't like the term "black rights", "women's rights" and "gay rights". It should be RIGHTS. When we allow the government or entities to take the rights of one group of people, we have failed as a society. So, when blacks bear the brunt of the Prison Industrial Complex or War on Drugs, I don't voice vocal opposition to it because they are black victims, I voice vocal opposition because they are human beings.

imo the gay agenda blurs the lines too much and can easily be considered an civil rights issue when imo its just someones preference to be attracted to the same sex

Here is a good definition of what civil rights are:

are a class of rights that protect individuals' freedom from unwarranted infringement by governments and private organizations, and ensure one's ability to participate in the civil and political life of the state without discrimination or repression.

I would argue that homosexuals do not have their full civil rights.

 

[daze23]

It's definitely an agenda. It doesn't mean the agenda is wrong though.

exactly, people throw around that word "agenda" like there's something inherently wrong with it. it's hard to get anything done without an "agenda"

 

[newarkhiphop]

It doesn't matter to me if it benefits society or not. I personally believe that letting two people in love share a legal union, be able to visit each other in hospitals, make legal life and death decisions for one another, be able to add their lover on a health insurance plan, and other things of the sort benefits society because those people will work harder to contribute to a society that seems them as human beings.

But it shouldn't matter if it benefits society. An adult human being should have the capacity to make their own decisions in life, and a government should only limit those things if it provides a secular, well documented reason to limit those decisions.

How do violent films or video games benefit society? How do drugs benefit society? How does one night stands benefit society? IT DOESN'T MATTER.

See that's my thing with this whole issue , I believe like you hey if two grown men/women want to engage in sexual activities behind closed doors, what they do is there business, now my problem comes into play when for some reason they believe they deserve all the rights as a heterosexual couple, not knowing that these rights have been put in place to promote a healthy family/patriarchal based society. Which is one of the reason this country has achieved greatness.

Them they believe that is discrimination based on there sexual preference, no its the same reason a man cant marry 4 women or a woman can't marry 4 men. Why don't we allow that? Are we saying that man or woman is not capable of truly loving 4 other people? Same reason we don't allow a 50 yr old a 13 yr old to get married, Same reason we don't allow a person to marry a horse or a dog or a dolphin etc etc. It doesn't promote the growth of a healthy society.

They don't understand that blacks and minorities for many many decades were totally banned from fully exercising there rights here, and there were laws SPECIFICALLY put in place for this. Point out to me where there has ever been a "homosexual" not allowed sign or laws.They were ever persecuted like blacks were. hung from trees, burned alive, dogs sicked on them , raped etc etc it has never happened. Yet they always try to equate there struggle.

 

[Mowgli]

I answered the question. I wouldn't like it. I'd get home and talk to my son, but I would teach him to be tolerant and loving to those who are born different.

I also wouldn't like my son watching Saving Private Ryan or Lisa Ann fit two dikks in her a$$hole in school. I wouldn't want my son listening to some inappropriate music at school. I wouldn't want my son watching two heterosexuals tongue wrestling either.

But It doesn't mean those things should be illegal for adults to engage in. Same with drugs. I'm for the legalization of drugs, but I now the scientific evidence is strong in the damages it does to growing children.



You said the right thing: In your youth. No one is stopping you now from not engaging in video games, pornography, etc.. You made that decision as an adult.

You cant make gay illegal but society, unless its been compromised mentally and morally shouldnt be making what we naturally deem disgusting into something thats ok, especially when history has shown what queens do when they run shyt, Greece. I wouldnt want my son living in that kind of world, would you?

 

[714562]

Pedophili is actually an Italian opera singer.

YOU'VE ALL MISINTERPRETED THIS THREAD.

 

[Type Username Here]

See that's my thing with this whole issue , I believe like you hey if two grown men/women want to engage in sexual activities behind closed doors, what they do is there business, now my problem comes into play when for some reason they believe they deserve all the rights as a heterosexual couple, not knowing that these rights have been put in place to promote a healthy family/patriarchal based society. Which is one of the reason this country has achieved greatness.

What's healthy about heterosexuals being allowed to marry and divorce 7 or more times? Should we outlaw that next?

What's healthy about violent video games, or films? What's healthy about sitting online and worshipping phones and technology like you and I do?

Them they believe that is discrimination based on there sexual preference, no its the same reason a man cant marry 4 women or a woman can't marry 4 men. Why don't we allow that?

This is for legal reasons. Otherwise, people would scam the system completely. What happens when one wife wants to pull the life support and the other wife doesn't?

Are we saying that man or woman is not capable of truly loving 4 other people?

Of course they are. As a legal status though, see above.

Same reason we don't allow a 50 yr old a 13 yr old to get married, Same reason we don't allow a person to marry a horse or a dog or a dolphin etc etc. It doesn't promote the growth of a healthy society.

Horrible segway brother. We have decided that those entities cannot legally consent.

They don't understand that blacks and minorities for many many decades were totally banned from fully exercising there rights here, and there were laws SPECIFICALLY put in place for this. Point out to me where there has ever been a "homosexual" not allowed sign or laws.They were ever persecuted like blacks were. hung from trees, burned alive, dogs sicked on them , raped etc etc it has never happened. Yet they always try to equate there struggle.

The struggle is different, the basic principle is the same.

 

[Type Username Here]

You cant make gay illegal but society, unless its been compromised mentally and morally shouldnt be making what we naturally deem disgusting into something thats ok, especially when history has shown what queens do when they run shyt, Greece. I wouldnt want my son living in that kind of world, would you?

That's all fine and dandy until you are living in a society where the choices you make are unfairly outlawed because people think it's disgusting.

There are people right now in the United States that want to have outright bans on certain video games, films, shows, porn, etc..

I guarantee while you wouldn't want your son exposed those things as a child, you would be might pissed off as an adult.

 

[cleanface coney]

so you guys honstly think that a gay man/woman being attracted to a gay man/woman
but they cant get married

is considered a denial of their rights?

gays have been here throughout history....more than enough gay men have been leaders of countries and nations

were their rights in violation then?

sexual preference imo has no place in society as far as social/civil rights are concerned

we have way too much on our plate imo

considering marriage to be a religious/spiritual/societal tradition between man and woman

you guys even said yourself there are no benefits of this happening besides pleasing one demographic

considering history and the other groups that have fought for rights

it simply wasnt this easy IMO

 

[Type Username Here]

so you guys honstly think that a gay man/woman being attracted to a gay man/woman but they cant get married is considered a denial of their rights?

14th Amendment, which guarantees rights:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

gays have been here throughout history....more than enough gay men have been leaders of countries and nations were their rights in violation then?

Horrible point. Don't even understand what you are trying to imply. It's like saying "Musa Musa was king and he was rich, so we can tell black people that they can't marry white people".

sexual preference imo has no place in society as far as social/civil rights are concerned

Why? What makes you so comfortable in saying this?

we have way too much on our plate imo

Civil liberties and human rights should ALWAYS be at the top of our plates.

considering marriage to be a religious/spiritual/societal tradition between man and woman

It was also a religious/spiritual/societal tradition to drown women in rivers because they were suspected of doing witchcraft. Would you like to bring that back as well?

 

[MostReal]

lol
Answer me this Daze23

Chocolate or vanilla, but you can't pick vanilla.

The issue isn't about normal or not normal it has been and always will be about equality of rights.

My question is when is enough, Enough?

Why can't a brother marry his sister then? Why can't a man marry a little girl? etc. Why can't a mother marry a son? Why can't a man marry multiple women? all of these things go in the same category. Is all of this okay to you guys?


Its so demonic

 

[cleanface coney]

@Type Username Here

im implying with that point by sayin that throughout history there have always been gay people..some openly and some closeted

my thing is what does it have to do with the more serious social/civil problems we occur everyday? why does it have to considered "official" and "under law" for a gay man/woman to do as they like as far as sexuality and their personal life...it has no place

are there any instances n which a gay man/woman has had an upper hand in any type of arena as far as politics,health,law? imo no

a closeted gay man/woman has all the same opportunites as anybody imo
reason why i used the leader example(kind of extreme but bear with me)

there was a time where people were denied of rights because of color,nationality,country of origin( problems we still have today)

so why should we just accept it? when history shows us that other groups have had wayyyy harder times gettin equal opportunities and are still havin hard times

you mention the US Constitution which at one point in time denied the rights of several demographics(blacks,natives,women) so is that really the standard we shoudl use when determining whats right and wrong?

by the way good fukkin discussion esp being on this website where too many people get overly emotional

 

[Type Username Here]

im implying with that point by sayin that throughout history there have always been gay people..some openly and some closeted

Okay, and? I really don't understand your point on this.

my thing is what does it have to do with the more serious social/civil problems we occur everyday? why does it have to considered "official" and "under law" for a gay man/woman to do as they like as far as sexuality and their personal life...it has no place

You're missing the point. It isn't about "gay" rights, it's about rights. We have a set of rights that guarantee the same equal rights to all citizens. The government has to prove a legal, secular argument to deny people their rights and to me they have not done so on this issue. All arguments about denying marriage to homosexuals falls on "tradition" and "religion", and that is absolute hogwash, and most importantly, unconstitutional.

are there any instances n which a gay man/woman has had an upper hand in any type of arena as far as politics,health,law? imo no

Sorry, don't understand the question friend.

a closeted gay man/woman has all the same opportunites as anybody imo
reason why i used the leader example(kind of extreme but bear with me)

The philosophical question is this: If black people had the ability to become temporarily white, would that mean those who didn't choose to hide their true nature deserve to be discriminated, beaten or treated as sub-human? I would argue that they deserved the rights no matter what.

there was a time where people were denied of rights because of color,nationality,country of origin( problems we still have today)

Yes.

so why should we just accept it? when history shows us that other groups have had wayyyy harder times gettin equal opportunities and are still havin hard times

Sorry, this is a piss poor argument friend.

you mention the US Constitution which at one point in time denied the rights of several demographics(blacks,natives,women) so is that really the standard we shoudl use when determining whats right and wrong?

This is true, but it was also the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence which was used AGAINST the government to bring legal victories that played a significant part in achieving equality.

The NAACP lawyers and other civil rights lawyers pointed out the hypocrisy in the documents to win major changes.

 

[daze23]

how would you guys feel about eliminating all the economic benefits of marriage?

 

[Type Username Here]

how would you guys feel about eliminating all the economic benefits of marriage?

I think that these people get so caught up in the religious portion of marriage that they don't understand the secular, legal institution it has become.

 

[cleanface coney]

good points man i think we are just on two different sides of the spectrum

im all for the rights of people but at the same i see no reason for laws to be passed and classroom curriculum to compromised all because of a SEXUAL PREFERENCE

not when history proves this country to be much more judgmental and unforgiving when it comes to the rights of other groups in this country

somebody said we were in the twilight zone and i see where they comin from