College graduates are increasingly likely to work in low quality jobs

[CrimsonTider]

An issue that I never see brought up in these discussions is why do all degrees cost the same?

If someone wants to major in communications... That's fine but that degree should not cost the same as an engineering degree.

That would even this shyt out some

If someone majoring in art can graduate with $5,000 worth of debt

You won't get the retards saying "everyone pick a Stem degree"

 

[Serious]

Stfu gundumb...you cockroach. You typed all that, pretending to address the topic, just to try and present yourself as better than others.

thought this cat was at an accounting firm...

 

[Danie84]

...welcome to 2009

 

[Camile.Bidan]

The problem isn't that 'the best can't eat.' The problem is that either you will be in the upper crust or you will be in poverty, which is essentially how 3rd world countries are set-up. Either you are in the class that owns the means of production or you are some wage slave getting paid a pittance. STEM might make a lot now, but what do you think would happen if everyone flooded into those fields? That's right, the wages would start to go down. What will happen when technology opens things up and makes it to where you can get 3 or 4 Indian ph.ds for the price of one American? Wages are going to go down. We can act like a problem doesn't exist and people are just choosing bad degrees, but the reality of the matter is that this nation has a serious employment problem.

I work with an Indian outsourced team. It's not as simple as that. I don't think that they are particularly stupid. but,There is a big communication barrier. Just a few days ago, I asked them to do a very simple task (at least I thought it was simple), and they didn't do it right. It wasn't because they were incompetent. Looking back the email, I could have been a lot more descriptive. They probably need to ask me some questions or they needed more clarification, but I was asleep while they were working.

There is only so much that the Indian teams can do, and because of the language and cultural barrier, time zone difference and plus the long distance, I personally feel like I can't rely on them to do anything really important.

For your other point: People aren't going to flood STEM. That's just not going to happen. You're making a big mistake and you don't really understand the purpose of a degree from the perspective of an employer or even our society. The degree is used to identify someone with a particular temperament and intelligence level. When everyone has a degree, the degree won't act as a sift anymore. But, people will find other ways sift out the dumb-asses: School rankings, Higher GPA standards, more emphasis on the interview, internships, work experience.

for your last point: The third world countries don't practice capitalism. In Indonesia or the Philippines, the top are the Chinese, and way down below are the Malays. I don't think it's just the economic system that causes that gap. Thomas Sowell's, "Race, Economics and Cultural" and Amy Chua's "World on Fire", have pretty good descriptions of the common patterns in the third world. I don't necessarily agree with their theories though. There is a cultural difference, sure but overall, I think the Chinese are just more naturally built to be merchants and traders.


Here is an except from the recent pew institutes analysis of American Economic Mobility.
http://www.pewtrusts.org/uploadedFi...eports/Economic_Mobility/PEW_Upward EM 14.pdf

Cognitive ability is the best indicator of Upward mobility, and it correlates a lot better than social economic class, or other non-cognitive traits. We are probably reaching a steady state where all the smart people have been pulled up, and it gives the appearance of unfairness and economic inequality.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Takes lot of money to move and mite not work out. Big risk, just like taking on student loan debt

I disagree. I moved to los angeles with 500 dollars in my pocket. You have to be willing to take a possible step back in living accomodations while you build yourself up. You could save 3000 dollars, find a job, and get a crummy apartment if you Really wanted to, friend. Or, just move where you have family/friends. I mean, i did it, and i dont even have a degree so why cant friends, friend.

 

[mcdivit85]

Trade schools definitely need to become more pushed because you have a bunch of people with Communication and History degrees pouring coffee for a living. While they could've spent the same time and less money getting a license that could be getting them 60k and up at 22. But part of the reason trades are not pushed is because many people want to be able to say "I'm college educated" even if that education doesn't help them get to the fruits of being "educated."

Also, connections play a role on some levels. On a small level during college I benefitted from knowing the right people-or from my mom knowing the right people. We lived right across the street from a political mover and shaker in my city, so my mom walked across the street and told her that I was looking for a job during my summers. She gave my mom a number for me to call on Monday morning-it was the HR manager at the local water company. I called and by the week after I graduated from high school I had a summer job making $10/11 per hour all while I just made a few copies and surfed the internet at my desk. Oh, and I had this "job" for every summer and vacation break during college while my friends were working at retail spots making $7 per hour.

Wish I had the same connections at Fortune 500 companies though because the same dynamic goes on at a much higher level.

Peace

 

[Mr swag]

I have a shytty ass job but paid my student loans in full in 3 years.


Just stayed at home. It's worth it

 

[AquaCityBoy]

Stem is too hard for the market to ever get Flooded like that. Most people simply aint built for it

Not true. It's already starting right now.


http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-crisis-is-a-myth

 

[mcdivit85]

I work with an Indian outsourced team. It's not as simple as that. I don't think that they are particularly stupid. but,There is a big communication barrier. Just a few days ago, I asked them to do a very simple task (at least I thought it was simple), and they didn't do it right. It wasn't because they were incompetent. Looking back the email, I could have been a lot more descriptive. They probably need to ask me some questions or they needed more clarification, but I was asleep while they were working.

There is only so much that the Indian teams can do, and because of the language and cultural barrier, time zone difference and plus the long distance, I personally feel like I can't rely on them to do anything really important.

For your other point: People aren't going to flood STEM. That's just not going to happen. You're making a big mistake and you don't really understand the purpose of a degree from the perspective of an employer or even our society. The degree is used to identify someone with a particular temperament and intelligence level. When everyone has a degree, the degree won't act as a sift anymore. But, people will find other ways sift out the dumb-asses: School rankings, Higher GPA standards, more emphasis on the interview, internships, work experience.

for your last point: The third world countries don't practice capitalism. In Indonesia or the Philippines, the top are the Chinese, and way down below are the Malays. I don't think it's just the economic system that causes that gap. Thomas Sowell's, "Race, Economics and Cultural" and Amy Chua's "World on Fire", have pretty good descriptions of the common patterns in the third world. I don't necessarily agree with their theories though. There is a cultural difference, sure but overall, I think the Chinese are just more naturally built to be merchants and traders.


Here is an except from the recent pew institutes analysis of American Economic Mobility.
http://www.pewtrusts.org/uploadedFi...eports/Economic_Mobility/PEW_Upward EM 14.pdf

Cognitive ability is the best indicator of Upward mobility, and it correlates a lot better than social economic class, or other non-cognitive traits. We are probably reaching a steady state where all the smart people have been pulled up, and it gives the appearance of unfairness and economic inequality.

But does this downplay the impact of nepotism or cronyism? I agree that thinking skills play a large part in social mobility in terms of moving from a lower position to a higher position within the economic landscape. I would also agree that a college degree acts a sift for gauging possible temperament within a corporate setting as well as intelligence-whether that is right or wrong.

However, I don't think its as simple as: get a degree in an in-demand field + work your a## off = getting the same level of access/money/resources as the upper crust.

Peace

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I disagree. I moved to los angeles with 500 dollars in my pocket. You have to be willing to take a possible step back in living accomodations while you build yourself up. You could save 3000 dollars, find a job, and get a crummy apartment if you Really wanted to, friend. Or, just move where you have family/friends. I mean, i did it, and i dont even have a degree so why cant friends, friend.

Me n wifey had to spend about 10K to move to NC and we did so w/o having jobs here. But I had income and we had a good bit more than $500. These days u can't take those kinds of risks. You might fukk around and end up homeless. Its a different ball game friend

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Me n wifey had to spend about 10K to move to NC and we did so w/o having jobs here. But I had income and we had a good bit more than $500. These days u can't take those kinds of risks. You might fukk around and end up homeless. Its a different ball game friend

Maybe you guys are a little bougie. I didnt need that much money but i understand being particular about infrastructure when moving to a new city, friend.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I work with an Indian outsourced team. It's not as simple as that. I don't think that they are particularly stupid. but,There is a big communication barrier. Just a few days ago, I asked them to do a very simple task (at least I thought it was simple), and they didn't do it right. It wasn't because they were incompetent. Looking back the email, I could have been a lot more descriptive. They probably need to ask me some questions or they needed more clarification, but I was asleep while they were working.

There is only so much that the Indian teams can do, and because of the language and cultural barrier, time zone difference and plus the long distance, I personally feel like I can't rely on them to do anything really important.

For your other point: People aren't going to flood STEM. That's just not going to happen. You're making a big mistake and you don't really understand the purpose of a degree from the perspective of an employer or even our society. The degree is used to identify someone with a particular temperament and intelligence level. When everyone has a degree, the degree won't act as a sift anymore. But, people will find other ways sift out the dumb-asses: School rankings, Higher GPA standards, more emphasis on the interview, internships, work experience.

for your last point: The third world countries don't practice capitalism. In Indonesia or the Philippines, the top are the Chinese, and way down below are the Malays. I don't think it's just the economic system that causes that gap. Thomas Sowell's, "Race, Economics and Cultural" and Amy Chua's "World on Fire", have pretty good descriptions of the common patterns in the third world. I don't necessarily agree with their theories though. There is a cultural difference, sure but overall, I think the Chinese are just more naturally built to be merchants and traders.


Here is an except from the recent pew institutes analysis of American Economic Mobility.
http://www.pewtrusts.org/uploadedFiles/wwwpewtrustsorg/Reports/Economic_Mobility/PEW_Upward EM 14.pdf

Cognitive ability is the best indicator of Upward mobility, and it correlates a lot better than social economic class, or other non-cognitive traits. We are probably reaching a steady state where all the smart people have been pulled up, and it gives the appearance of unfairness and economic inequality.

Cognitive ability is useless if you have it but are in an environment that doesn't recognize or reward it. I.e. a lil nikka in Chicago could have been the next Steve Jobs, but because his school is a prison and his neighborhood is a war zon he doesn't stand a chance to transition into that other realm. Not jabbing at you, just disagreeing with your implications drawn from this study.

 

[the cac mamba]

I have a shytty ass job but paid my student loans in full in 3 years.


Just stayed at home. It's worth it

how much were they? i had 20k, it should take me a year and a half

i cant even imagine havin like a 100k debt

 

[GetInTheTruck]

shyt is crazy. People who have degrees and thousands of dollars in debt hitting me up to see if I can get try to get them a job

I legit feel bad for them.

 

[Mr swag]

how much were they? i had 20k, it should take me a year and a half

i cant even imagine havin like a 100k debt

Mine was the same. People who went out of state or a private school has no one to blame but themselves