I'd say my favorite part is that you guys think people in here are actually centrists and not just liberals that aren't quite as left as some of the progressives are. The only real centrist in here has been cac mamba
All those people ran into the thread and started defending centrists and attacking progressives. No one @'d them into the thread.
The main interactions with all of you started with this post:
Centrists are stopping the country from being overrun by lunatic traditionalist right wingers, if there was a persuasive and influential alternative on the left (via progressivism) or the right ( via a silicon valley like libertarianism) I would be embrace the undermining of centrism.
But, the issue progressives in this thread seemingly prefer to avoid is that they are not good at being persuasive to the average American voter. And that leads people like myself to rather deal with the centrists than progressives who too often care more about being "right" than being persuasive.
However, even if the fickle counterargument is made that centrism has failed to inspire and thus the lack of inspratio has lead to GOP gains, progressives still have to contend with the fact that they consistently get beaten by the centrists. Thus, if you consistently racking up L's to the vanilla ass politicians that embody the centrist left, maybe it would be beneficial to acknowledge and figure out why the progressive message doesn't seem to scale.
Sadly I expect the same set of excuses and rationalizations from progressives on this site about why they struggle to overcome such a mediocore set of messaging-- corporate media, Americans being dumb, and the lack of money--and get aggy when you make it clear it doesn't make sense to bet on them when time, resources, energy are limited and it's an accepted premise that the political game is comes with considerable constraints.
And so I'd rather deal with the group that operated within those constraints byway of tradeoffs versus progessivds who think moral grandstanding serving as the foundation of their strategy is likely to move the needle despite consistent evidence that doesn't work.
The entire post is defending centrists and attacking progressives. And it's by
@ogc163, a poster who reps libertarianism and who you yourself have called a conservative in the past. Now you want to claim that he's not even a centrist? And you wanna know who dapped that shyt up? You, ozymandeas, wire28, pressure, dora, and crimsontider. Literally everyone who you want to claim is falsely accused of being a centrist. But y'all don't want to own it?
Running into the thread to attack progressives and defend centrists, then act like the victim when you're associated with centrists and falsely claim the progressives attacked you first, is a weird flex.
And I'm sure you already know this, but the Democratic establishment is a VERY centrist party from any objective perspective, as has been repeated ad nauseum. Especially recently. I mean Obama was the MOST liberal presidential candidate the Dems have been willing to nominate in the last 30 years, and even he admitted that Nixon was more liberal than he was.
The president also said he “absolutely” thought he had been treated unfairly on Fox News.
thehill.com
Despite frequent cries that Obama is trying to bring European-style socialism to US, it is clear that he wishes to govern from the centre.
economictimes.indiatimes.com
