Coli centrists, what's so great about centrism: come in here and sell us on your political leaning

[Secure Da Bag]

oh, you mean the bill that would jack up inflation, in the midst of already massive, headline-dominating inflation?

is he at least allowed to have any concern about that, or no? serious question

manchin voted for the democrat covid bill in 2021, right? that all 50 republicans voted against?

You mean the inflation caused by supply chain issues not monetary issues?

Concern? Yes. Was that his real concern? No. Why? Because that bill had major green/renewable tech initiatives that would eat into his oil/gas/coal. Which in fact affected his donors. You know, the ones he gets lots of money from. Not to mention the infrastructure initiatives that would have greatly helped the country.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

You have delays in parts for contractors, a shortage of longshoremen to off load freight and Chinese lockdowns of entire cities causing the log jam. Companies are going out of business which means few service providers in addition to a shortage of supplies causing massive upward pressure on prices. That's the primary cause for inflation with the influx of cash into the system being secondary. Manchin's concern about inflation is a convenient excuse to shoot down legislation that doesnt behoove the interests of his wallet

 

[GMoney]

It just seems like the people on here being accused of being centrists deeply care about social issues, democracy, the environment, and human rights.

I think this was supposed to be a discussion/debate about the political strategy of centrists, not whether centrists sufficiently care about a given issue. How does that 'caring' manifest itself politically?

 

[mastermind]

It just seems like the people on here being accused of being centrists deeply care about social issues, democracy, the environment, and human rights. It’s entirely unnecessary and mean spirited to continue this conversation. The closest thing we even have to centrists on this forum are right wing trolls.

That’s cap. It only matters when The NY Times tells you and others it matters.

 

[mastermind]

Breh came



If someone is as passionate about those issues as you think they are or as they profess to be, don't you find it a bit odd that that they take such glee in the failures of candidates who are the most vocal about addressing those issues?

And then they loudly support candidates that don’t care about those issues.

 

[CrimsonTider]

This is why I mentioned leftist groups needing to be community organizations first. Hear what the community has issues with, provide those needs through a leftist/socialist paradigm, and explain that to people. Taking what Marx and Engels said and put it into action instead of telling people to read a book

It's what the Panthers did. It's what unions used to do.

And when the community tells the leftist group their biggest concern is crime and the leftist groups talk about building a boys and girls clan then what?

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

And then they loudly support candidates that don’t care about those issues.

It usually comes down to electability which means supporting a moderate. I dont have the stats on hand but I dont think that if there is assumption that independents are moderates that it would necessarily be a correct one.

 

[GMoney]

And when the community tells the leftist group their biggest concern is crime and the leftist groups talk about building a boys and girls clan then what?

The political group should be made up of the community. They should be one and the same. It shouldn't just be young professionals using it as a stepping stone or those with careers in non-profits.

The 'radicalism' that happened during the 60s that produced leftist groups like the Panthers is not reproducible right now I'm afraid, because we are still living in the aftermath of the defeat of that black left; a black left that was rooted in blackness and class politics.

 

[Pressure]

It usually comes down to electability which means supporting a moderate. I dont have the stats on hand but I dont think that if there is assumption that independents are moderates that it would necessarily be a correct one.

do you think AOC would win statewide in NY?

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

do you think AOC would win statewide in NY?

I dont know but it would be interesting to see. I think she would have more of a chance than some let on but it would of course be dependent on her opponent and effectiveness of both her and her opponents campaign. I don't think she would get trounced if she lost

Edit to add: I doubt she would lose to a Republican but a heads up primary might be a toss up. If there were multiple candidates she would have a better chance

 

[Pressure]

I dont know but it would be interesting to see. I think she would have more of a chance than some let on but it would of course be dependent on her opponent and effectiveness of both her and her opponents campaign. I don't think she would get trounced if she lost

Edit to add: I doubt she would lose to a Republican but a heads up primary might be a toss up. If there were multiple candidates she would have a better chance

It's something I wonder. Im not familiar with NY politics.

Both their senators are remarkably boring.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

It's something I wonder. Im not familiar with NY politics.

Both their senators are remarkably boring.

I'd think she would easily capture a plurality with 2 or more candidates to the right of her splitting votes

I'd give her a punchers chance to beat Schumer as a challenger but like you I'm not an expert on NY politics and I'm sure he has quite the machine that could put him over the top even if his favorables are worse than hers

 

[wire28]

It just seems like the people on here being accused of being centrists deeply care about social issues, democracy, the environment, and human rights. It’s entirely unnecessary and mean spirited to continue this conversation. The closest thing we even have to centrists on this forum are right wing trolls.

 

[wire28]

do you think AOC would win statewide in NY?

Of course. Unless the machine mobilized against her. That’s the only way anyone can lose

 

[the cac mamba]

You mean the inflation caused by supply chain issues not monetary issues?

so printing three unpaid-for 2 trillion dollar relief bills, in a year and a half, didnt cause inflation

thats your position?