Coli centrists, what's so great about centrism: come in here and sell us on your political leaning

[ill]

All those people ran into the thread and started defending centrists and attacking progressives. No one @'d them into the thread.

The main interactions with all of you started with this post:





The entire post is defending centrists and attacking progressives. And it's by @ogc163, a poster who reps libertarianism and who you yourself have called a conservative in the past. Now you want to claim that he's not even a centrist? And you wanna know who dapped that shyt up? You, ozymandeas, wire28, pressure, dora, and crimsontider. Literally everyone who you want to claim is falsely accused of being a centrist. But y'all don't want to own it?

Running into the thread to attack progressives and defend centrists, then act like the victim when you're associated with centrists and falsely claim the progressives attacked you first, is a weird flex.



And I'm sure you already know this, but the Democratic establishment is a VERY centrist party from any objective perspective, as has been repeated ad nauseum. Especially recently. I mean Obama was the MOST liberal presidential candidate the Dems have been willing to nominate in the last 30 years, and even he admitted that Nixon was more liberal than he was.

‘Nixon was more liberal,’ Obama says

The president also said he “absolutely” thought he had been treated unfairly on Fox News.

thehill.com

Barack Obama, the centrist

Despite frequent cries that Obama is trying to bring European-style socialism to US, it is clear that he wishes to govern from the centre.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

You're right, I missed ogc in all that and he would qualify for sure. Same with myself and mamba.

Pressure, Dora, and Wire sure as hell aren't centrists, though.

I personally wouldn't call the current Democratic Party centrists. I would call them corporatists.

 

[Shogun]

You're right, I missed ogc in all that and he would qualify for sure. Same with myself and mamba.

Pressure, Dora, and Wire sure as hell aren't centrists, though.

I personally wouldn't call the current Democratic Party centrists. I would call them corporatists.

Some of these dudes are so far through the looking glass they think anyone who isn't a socialist is a "right wing goon".

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You're right, I missed ogc in all that and he would qualify for sure. Same with myself and mamba.

Pressure, Dora, and Wire sure as hell aren't centrists, though.

I personally wouldn't call the current Democratic Party centrists. I would call them corporatists.

For someone whose primary defining issues are economic and racial as opposed to the other stuff, "corporatists" might as well be centrist. I mean libertarians can be pro-LGBT too and often are, that doesn't make them liberals. When MLK Jr. was complaining about White moderates I'm pretty damn sure today's Democratic party mainstream would have fit the bill.

Let me repeat - Obama bragged that he was to the right of Nixon. How can you claim not to be a centrist if you can't even definitively separate yourself from a post-CRA Republican president? Obama bailed out the banks while giving regular people half of the stimulus his own advisors had recommended. He extended the Bush tax cuts, set new records for deportations, bragged that he had increased oil and gas production to record highs. His EPA cared more about jailing climate activists than it did jailing polluters, his Justice Department worked harder on doing Microsoft's bidding to throw an activist in jail for selling free software than it even did on prosecuting the corporate bankers who destroyed the economy. His great liberal accomplishment was Obamacare, much of which had originally been proposed by the Heritage Foundation in the 1990s and implemented by Mitt Romney in Massachusetts.

If a moderate democrat like Bradford DeLong can call Obama a centrist, why can't we? And Obama was the MOST liberal of our recent presidential candidates compared to Gore, Kerry, Biden, or either of the Clintons.

And like I said, no one @'d those other posters into the thread. Ogc163 posted as a libertarian defending centrists and shytting on progressives, and all of them ran in to dap him up and post in defense of his argument. It's weird as fukk to me that they all came in shytting on progressives for the sake of the centrist cause and now progressives are being depicted as the bad guys unnecessarily being mean to our allies.

 

[Jalether]

I think you lost the thread of the conversation.

So far the only argument in favor of centrism (which just got repeated again in comment #169) is "Centrists are more persuasive than progressives". And the only evidence that has been claimed for that is that the centrists have won recent primaries.

I pointed out that no objective person would say that Biden is a more persuasive politician than Bernie, or that he beat Bernie in the primaries because voters at large prefer his policies. Biden won because the Democratic establishment picked him to win, the media lined up behind him, and voters were told that he was electable (despite Bernie doing better against Trump in actual polling and doing better with turnout among new group Dems actually need).

If the entire argument for centrism is, "We're doing it because the Democratic party and media told us to, and we're scared that a progressive who pushes the policies we actually need wouldn't be electable", then at least make that argument. Don't push this disingenuous bullshyt that Biden was more persuasive in the primary when he can't persuade the public of jack shyt for the life of him and doesn't seem to have a single foundational value that any average person even trusts him to stand behind.

Preach. Not even Jill Biden thinks her husband is more persuasive than Bernie

 

[mastermind]

And like I said, no one @'d those other posters into the thread. Ogc163 posted as a libertarian defending centrists and shytting on progressives, and all of them ran in to dap him up and post in defense of his argument. It's weird as fukk to me that they all came in shytting on progressives for the sake of the centrist cause and now progressives are being depicted as the bad guys unnecessarily being mean to our allies.

They don't believe in anything other than protecting and building their status. That's fine, but they refuse to admit that.

 

[radio rahiem]

Centrists core values are punching left.
The only time they stand for anything.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

For someone whose primary defining issues are economic and racial as opposed to the other stuff, "corporatists" might as well be centrist. I mean libertarians can be pro-LGBT too and often are, that doesn't make them liberals. When MLK Jr. was complaining about White moderates I'm pretty damn sure today's Democratic party mainstream would have fit the bill.

Let me repeat - Obama bragged that he was to the right of Nixon. How can you claim not to be a centrist if you can't even definitively separate yourself from a post-CRA Republican president? Obama bailed out the banks while giving regular people half of the stimulus his own advisors had recommended. He extended the Bush tax cuts, set new records for deportations, bragged that he had increased oil and gas production to record highs. His EPA cared more about jailing climate activists than it did jailing polluters, his Justice Department worked harder on doing Microsoft's bidding to throw an activist in jail for selling free software than it even did on prosecuting the corporate bankers who destroyed the economy. His great liberal accomplishment was Obamacare, much of which had originally been proposed by the Heritage Foundation in the 1990s and implemented by Mitt Romney in Massachusetts.

If a moderate democrat like Bradford DeLong can call Obama a centrist, why can't we? And Obama was the MOST liberal of our recent presidential candidates compared to Gore, Kerry, Biden, or either of the Clintons.

And like I said, no one @'d those other posters into the thread. Ogc163 posted as a libertarian defending centrists and shytting on progressives, and all of them ran in to dap him up and post in defense of his argument. It's weird as fukk to me that they all came in shytting on progressives for the sake of the centrist cause and now progressives are being depicted as the bad guys unnecessarily being mean to our allies.

I didnt know or at least recall Obama said that. I've been making the argument that Nixon was to the left of Clinton. If Nixon ran today he would damn near be called a leftist by Republicans [he wasnt a leftist but that's what he would be called]

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I didnt know or at least recall Obama said that. I've been making the argument that Nixon was to the left of Clinton. If Nixon ran today he would damn near be called a leftist by Republicans [he wasnt a leftist but that's what he would be called]

In this interview:

‘Nixon was more liberal,’ Obama says

The president also said he “absolutely” thought he had been treated unfairly on Fox News.

thehill.com

President Obama said in an interview airing Monday he was “probably not” the most liberal American president, arguing that “in a lot of ways,” even Richard Nixon was farther to the left.

“The truth of the matter is, when you look at some of my policies, in a lot of ways Richard Nixon was more liberal than I was,” Obama told Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly. “Started the EPA, you know, started a whole lot of the regulatory state that has made our air and water clean.”


Nixon in fact started the EPA, SSI, OSHA, the Clean Water Act, the Endangered Species Act, Affirmative Action, opened relations with China, instituted wage and price controls, and nominated moderates/moderate liberals to the Supreme Court.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

HL's least favorite centrist out here strengthening democracy

At the end of the day manchin is about them dollars. And he understands that the country being overthrown is going to royally fukk up his money. Man is a hustler first and foremost above all else

 

[Secure Da Bag]

I believe that being a centrist is no better than being a moderate. We already know how Civil Rights leaders felt about them.

They can be great at pulling people from ledge. But a majority of them does no one any good, because nothing really changes. As we learned in the 60s.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

HL's least favorite centrist out here strengthening democracy

He's covering his ass for tanking a bill that would have helped America but not his donor bank account.

I wonder how this is different than the SAFE Act, Dems tried to pass a couple of years back. - Senate GOP blocks three election security bills

 

[NZA]

im not sure why this thread is so much worse than other threads, but i do find it amazing that i always seem to have a decent rapport with cac mamba

 

[the cac mamba]

He's covering his ass for tanking a bill that would have helped America but not his donor bank account.

oh, you mean the bill that would jack up inflation, in the midst of already massive, headline-dominating inflation?

is he at least allowed to have any concern about that, or no? serious question

manchin voted for the democrat covid bill in 2021, right? that all 50 republicans voted against?

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

It just seems like the people on here being accused of being centrists deeply care about social issues, democracy, the environment, and human rights. It’s entirely unnecessary and mean spirited to continue this conversation. The closest thing we even have to centrists on this forum are right wing trolls.

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

It just seems like the people on here being accused of being centrists deeply care about social issues, democracy, the environment, and human rights. It’s entirely unnecessary and mean spirited to continue this conversation. The closest thing we even have to centrists on this forum are right wing trolls.

If someone is as passionate about those issues as you think they are or as they profess to be, don't you find it a bit odd that that they take such glee in the failures of candidates who are the most vocal about addressing those issues?