Cold War II: The United States vs Trump and Co. A Russian Affair

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@Frank Grimes if they did any of that shyt you're saying the Rs would be apoplectic.

And that's a good thing as they have proven time and time again that they expose themselves the most during their tantrums
 

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Interesting take on the 'now is not the right time to impeach' crowd....


For those of you who don't understand the game, here it is:

Pelosi has the numbers to pass articles of impeachment. McConnell has the numbers to ensure Trump is not convicted in that impeachment trial.

It would take the defection of 20 Republican Senators to convict Trump in an impeachment trial. Trump currently has a 90% approval rating among Republican voters. Voting to impeach would piss off those voters and ensure that Senator loses re-election. Nixon did not resign until his approval rating among Republican voters was around 60%. That won't happen to Trump during the Fox News era.

So, if Nancy impeaches, Mitch the bytch will "exonerate" Trump, and from that day until Election Day, all you're going to hear from the GOP, Republican pundits, Republican Voters, and trolls is "Trump was cleared of all charges/innocent/Russia Hoax."

We are 17 months out from Election Day.

That means we are in the middle of the large Democratic field, as the party's platform is built from an amalgamation of the best ideas of our 20-odd candidates. Right now we need primetime debates, and the primetime media coverage is being fought over fiercely by each of the candidates. Dems need every second of good press they can get.

Trump, on the other hand, is doing barely any campaigning. It's still more campaigning than any other President would be doing, but he's still out there very little in comparison. He's fundraising for the real election season next year, mostly. And planning.

Politically, there are four benefits to an impeachment trial with a guaranteed failure. First, it motivates the base to see their opponent on trial. Second, all of that overwhelming evidence demotivates the centrists aligned with the party on trial. They won't necessarily switch parties, but they're more likely to not vote. Third, it absolutely drowns out all other news coverage. Nobody else will be able to breathe in that media ecosystem without addressing it. And fourth, whoever is on trial in the Senate is nearly-grounded to DC. They won't be out heavily campaigning, they'll be reliant on surrogates for grip-and-grins.

Now, effects 1 and 2 only remain active so long as the trial continues. Once it's over and the trolls get to chant "Russia Hoax" the spell is broken and the motivation leaves an exasperated base and rejuvenated opposition.

Effect 3 is the exact opposite of what the Dems need right now. That kind of media blackout will drown campaigns who can't get their message out, and so can't get funding. You'll see a boost in the Senator-candidates campaigning like Harris, but campaigns like Buttigieg will die a lonely death out in the cold. The simplest solution to this is have the media circus after we have chosen a candidate and pushed our message out to the people. If the people know what we stand for, we'll survive the storm more intact.

The fourth effect would be useless right now when Trump is barely campaigning. But it would be incredibly next August-September-October. Imagine a candidate who could barely leave DC, who couldn't go out to see their supporters. It'd be doubly effective on Trump, who thrives off his cult-like rallies.

Lastly, House Democrats get to decide how long the impeachment trial lasts.

So if Pelosi times this right by holding off on impeachment for one year, we could ground and destabilize Trump's 2020 campaign, while mobilizing our own voters, and pushing the Senate vote back until after the election, so that the decision on whether Trump stays President or not is made in the ballot box instead, and we never have to hear "but he was found innocent" once this cycle.

OR

She could impeach right now and we get "bUt HE waS eXoNeRaTeD" for a year straight.
 
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WaPo confirms Politico: Nadler has been asking Pelosi to let him launch an impeachment inquiry for weeks. But Pelosi suggested she wants Trump to face charges after leaving office rather than to be impeached by the House when the Senate would acquit him. https://wapo.st/2HY6jRZ


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I think eventually impeachment is gonna go by the way side. It's already getting exhausting just talking about it. Pelosi is kicking the can down the road and stalling until it gets to a point where some people just say fukk it and don't care to do it anymore.
 
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Pelosi is right. If you're going to do an impeachment case it has to be airtight. Otherwise if something more criminal down the line happens, you won't get a second chance to impeach. Impeaching on liberal outrage without all the criminality and evidence in hand is just dumb.

I also agree with her that I'd rather see him face charges after he leaves office than do a failed impeachment inquiry. I understand the logic of the DOJ deciding not to charge because the Senate already found him not guilty. Its blurry but I see it.
 

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Yo low key...it kinda upsets me that this is the President that is there for those 75th Anniversary events...

WW2 is my "favorite" war. The events surrounding it and the war itself always fascinated me.



Agreed. My Father (who I didn't know growing up beyond @ 5 years old) lied about his age so he could go fight in WW2 and came home a very different person (that ultimately affected/destroyed his relationships with all his children) so this as*hole could play Private Bonespurs games and claim that "going to military school was basically like being in the military".....and then this f*ck gets to parade around during this timeframe and relish in it like he was in some way part of the process.....

SMMFH...
 
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Pelosi is right. If you're going to do an impeachment case it has to be airtight. Otherwise if something more criminal down the line happens, you won't get a second chance to impeach. Impeaching on liberal outrage without all the criminality and evidence in hand is just dumb.

I also agree with her that I'd rather see him face charges after he leaves office than do a failed impeachment inquiry. I understand the logic of the DOJ deciding not to charge because the Senate already found him not guilty. Its blurry but I see it.


This 100%.

I agree completely. People are so quick to want to see Trump impeached for the crimes he's already committed that they never stop think about what if he commits even more crimes in the future.


Reminds me of this dumb ass friend of mine. Love him like a brother, but he's not the sharpest knife in the knifeset.

But anyway, 2 years ago one of his old HS adversaries looked him up and wanted to settle some silly ass beef from like 10 years ago. Kept hounding him non-stop, showing up at his workplace, saying he was gonna kill him and his family, etc. My friend ain't 'bout that rah rah life no more. He settled down, has a 3 yr old daughter, and lives a normal life. So this fool went to the police to press charges after this other cat put hands on him and broke his collarbone in the process.

That's my man but I had to chew him out and give him the business. Asked him why the fukk would he go to the police NOW over getting his collarbone broken instead of waiting?? :mindblown:

Now if this maniac actually follows through with his previous threats and does something to his family, there ain't gonna be jack shyt he can do about it. Homeboy's gonna skate scott free, all cuz he wanted some instant gratification for the previous assault, not even bothering to think about what if he hurts him even worse down the line, smh.

I mean, I know it was a brash decision on my friend's part in the heat of the moment, but it just sucks he didn't think it through before filing those papers. Now this other dude has him at his mercy, he can basically do whatever he wants to him with no consequences.

:snoop:
 

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Interesting take on the 'now is not the right time to impeach' crowd....


For those of you who don't understand the game, here it is:

Pelosi has the numbers to pass articles of impeachment. McConnell has the numbers to ensure Trump is not convicted in that impeachment trial.

It would take the defection of 20 Republican Senators to convict Trump in an impeachment trial. Trump currently has a 90% approval rating among Republican voters. Voting to impeach would piss off those voters and ensure that Senator loses re-election. Nixon did not resign until his approval rating among Republican voters was around 60%. That won't happen to Trump during the Fox News era.

So, if Nancy impeaches, Mitch the bytch will "exonerate" Trump, and from that day until Election Day, all you're going to hear from the GOP, Republican pundits, Republican Voters, and trolls is "Trump was cleared of all charges/innocent/Russia Hoax."

We are 17 months out from Election Day.

That means we are in the middle of the large Democratic field, as the party's platform is built from an amalgamation of the best ideas of our 20-odd candidates. Right now we need primetime debates, and the primetime media coverage is being fought over fiercely by each of the candidates. Dems need every second of good press they can get.

Trump, on the other hand, is doing barely any campaigning. It's still more campaigning than any other President would be doing, but he's still out there very little in comparison. He's fundraising for the real election season next year, mostly. And planning.

Politically, there are four benefits to an impeachment trial with a guaranteed failure. First, it motivates the base to see their opponent on trial. Second, all of that overwhelming evidence demotivates the centrists aligned with the party on trial. They won't necessarily switch parties, but they're more likely to not vote. Third, it absolutely drowns out all other news coverage. Nobody else will be able to breathe in that media ecosystem without addressing it. And fourth, whoever is on trial in the Senate is nearly-grounded to DC. They won't be out heavily campaigning, they'll be reliant on surrogates for grip-and-grins.

Now, effects 1 and 2 only remain active so long as the trial continues. Once it's over and the trolls get to chant "Russia Hoax" the spell is broken and the motivation leaves an exasperated base and rejuvenated opposition.

Effect 3 is the exact opposite of what the Dems need right now. That kind of media blackout will drown campaigns who can't get their message out, and so can't get funding. You'll see a boost in the Senator-candidates campaigning like Harris, but campaigns like Buttigieg will die a lonely death out in the cold. The simplest solution to this is have the media circus after we have chosen a candidate and pushed our message out to the people. If the people know what we stand for, we'll survive the storm more intact.

The fourth effect would be useless right now when Trump is barely campaigning. But it would be incredibly next August-September-October. Imagine a candidate who could barely leave DC, who couldn't go out to see their supporters. It'd be doubly effective on Trump, who thrives off his cult-like rallies.

Lastly, House Democrats get to decide how long the impeachment trial lasts.

So if Pelosi times this right by holding off on impeachment for one year, we could ground and destabilize Trump's 2020 campaign, while mobilizing our own voters, and pushing the Senate vote back until after the election, so that the decision on whether Trump stays President or not is made in the ballot box instead, and we never have to hear "but he was found innocent" once this cycle.

OR

She could impeach right now and we get "bUt HE waS eXoNeRaTeD" for a year straight.

The problem with this argument is that we're currently being told, as well as the polls reflecting, that there is not enough interest or support for impeachment among the public. How do they plan to ignite public interest and support a year out from now? So we're supposed to wait and rely on Trump to infuriate centrist and non-voters enough to vote D or not at all in 2020?

Our concern is drowning out the voice of the democratic field? As if well over half of that field knows that they don't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting the nomination. So we're going to act like most of these people running did not discover the benefit of molding the party platform through proxy of running for president - the Bernie effect? This is a ridiculous concept, we don't want to impeach now because we don't want to force candidates to be on message - but why the f*ck would D voters want to vote for someone who doesn't want to see Trump removed from office?

Since the House controls the length of the hearings, this would seem like all the more reason they would start now to meticulously lay out to the public the gravity of the past and on-going crimes in this administration. So the grand strategy is to have your authority questioned and challenged over the next 12 months to spring impeachment proceedings on the public after they've seen you looking weak and figure this is your last ditch effort because they've been told for 3+ years that you're after Trump.

This does not feel like a strategy that will yield the desired results. Especially considering the fact that they are dealing with an unpredictable person who could have us in 2 wars in a year, who not to mention has and will continue to control messaging with the help of the media.
 
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