Cold War II: The United States vs Trump and Co. A Russian Affair

[Based Lord Zedd]

Impeachment isn't accountable when the partisan Senate and the entire GOP, including its media outlets is going to change the narrative that the Democrats are out to get Trump. It's going to turn into a political circus.

This doesn't really answer the question(s) at all.

Also fukk the GOP and their media outlets. Anyone refusing to do their duty out of fear of what FOXNEWS might say needs to get out of office. That is not acceptable.

The Democrats should be out to get Trump, he is a criminal, that is their job. Anyone who isn't out to get Trump is the problem.

We already are in a political circus. You literally are saying that the GOP has weaponized the media to the point that they are effectively above the law and above the constitution. They're free to do whatever they want, then spin narratives as they see fit. That is a circus.

 

[Dorian Breh]

Your boy Drac has always been right about Pelosi.

She has never been about that action, never been about anything other than the next PAC check.

Lotta y'all fronted on me on some party loyalty shyt but I tried to tell you: it be your own speakers

 

[Worthless Loser]

This doesn't really answer the question(s) at all.

Also fukk the GOP and their media outlets. Anyone refusing to do their duty out of fear of what FOXNEWS might say needs to get out of office. That is not acceptable.

The Democrats should be out to get Trump, he is a criminal, that is their job. Anyone who isn't out to get Trump is the problem.

We already are in a political circus. You literally are saying that the GOP has weaponized the media to the point that they are effectively above the law and above the constitution. They're free to do whatever they want, then spin narratives as they see fit. That is a circus.

So what would impeachment accomplish that public hearings wouldn't accomplish?

The president can only be “removed” through impeachment.

Why are you implying they are two different things?




Trump has checked all those boxes multiple times.

The President can be impeached in the House, but in order to be removed he must be convicted in the Senate. Impeachment leads to removal. Which is my point. He won't be removed.

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

So what would impeachment accomplish that public hearings wouldn't accomplish?

The President can be impeached in the House, but in order to be removed he must be convicted in the Senate. Impeachment leads to removal. Which is my point. He won't be removed.

Correction: He CAN'T be removed.....yet.

But he must be removed regardless.

 

[AZBeauty]

Witness tampering and Obstruction is not enough to remove Trump. They are impeachable charges.

The only charges that could have removed him was Conspiracy with the Russians.

 

[Pressure]

Did I miss something. Pelosi said this earlier. What are y'all talking about?

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

So what would impeachment accomplish that public hearings wouldn't accomplish?

The President can be impeached in the House, but in order to be removed he must be convicted in the Senate. Impeachment leads to removal. Which is my point. He won't be removed.

So what you're saying is, that we'd have an actual record of who voted against removing him (or prevented it from getting to that point). And then the people would be empowered with that information when it's time to vote for their senators?

Would this happen with a public hearing?

 

[Json]

So what you're saying is, that we'd have an actual record of who voted against removing him (or prevented it from getting to that point). And then the people would be empowered with that information when it's time to vote for their senators?

Would this happen with a public hearing?

But how many Republicans are even scared of that retribution? How many are in actual toss up states in 2020? Who paid for authorizing the Iraq war?

That’s part of the problem. They are more scared of being primaried by a Trumpeter than being voted out by their constituents.

 

[Dorian Breh]

@Call Me James she said "nothing is off the table" while claiming only 15% of Democrat voters are "outspoken" on impeachment.

This is a bad faith argument to make as the Democratic Speaker of the House - without a president the majority of Democrat voters are going to follow the establishment Speaker's lead and if she refuses to be outspoken about anything except telling Maxine Waters to be more civil, the majority of Dems will not be outspoken supporters either.

She said "nothing is off the table" while also claiming that it is not possible to make a decision without "all the facts". While it seems increasingly unlikely that she read Mueller's report, if she did she would understand that the entire strategy of Trump's obstruction was to make sure "all the facts" never see the light of day. By requiring "all the facts" before impeachment she is leaving room to not impeach by saying there aren't enough facts.

Despite the Mueller testimony Nancy continues to encourage the party to focus on "investigations not impeachment" as she believes an impeachement would be divisive.

Unless I am missing something this is the most powerful Democrat in the country right now, but she refuses to act as a leader. She claims that polling and demographics drive her decisions as a way to protect herself from accountability. She has no political ideology other than cynicism and compromise and it seems has no strategy for dealing with the constitutional crises we find ourselves in.

 

[acri1]

Did I miss something. Pelosi said this earlier. What are y'all talking about?

The problem is that the case she's talking about is nonexistent. There could be video footage of Trump committing a felony and they still wouldn't impeach him.

So I think Pelosi needs to just decide one way or another whether an impeachment attempt that's doomed from the jump is worthwhile.


On one hand there's the general principle that he deserves to be impeached. On the other hand it'll give him an easy opportunity to say he's been cleared of misconduct when the Senate fails to remove him.

So what you're saying is, that we'd have an actual record of who voted against removing him (or prevented it from getting to that point). And then the people would be empowered with that information when it's time to vote for their senators?

Would this happen with a public hearing?

I'm not sure what voters would learn that they don't already know. There can't be anybody with a Republican Senator that actually thinks they would vote to impeach.

Having it on the record so they can be shamed by the history books is cool I guess , but I think at this point everybody knows where everybody else stands on Trump.

 

[Worthless Loser]

So what you're saying is, that we'd have an actual record of who voted against removing him (or prevented it from getting to that point). And then the people would be empowered with that information when it's time to vote for their senators?

Would this happen with a public hearing?

Like the American people don't already know how they will vote. Putting it on record makes no difference.

Impeachment = House
Removal = Senate conviction.

 

[Pressure]

They don't even have the underlying information from the Mueller report yet.

I'm sure they'll ratchet up once they get the information. Can't make a case without the supporting documents and testimony.

 

[acri1]

They don't even have the underlying information from the Mueller report yet.

I'm sure they'll ratchet up once they get the information. Can't make a case without the supporting documents and testimony.

There's no amount of information/documents/testimony where "the Republican Senate...will be convinced of the path that we have to take as a country" and she's lying to herself if she thinks otherwise.

Pelosi needs to be honest with herself and everybody else about Republicans. Republicans in the Senate are never in a million years going to remove Trump from office, no amount of stalling for more documents is going to change that. So she just needs to make a decision one way or another about whether it's worthwhile as a symbolic gesture or not. And if she thinks it's not worth it she needs to just make her case and put the focus on the GOP and their corruption. Saying "I just want to wait until we get enough evidence to convince Republicans" is just not believable.

Tough decision, but nobody forced her to be Speaker of the House.

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

Like the American people don't already know how they will vote. Putting it on record makes no difference.

Wow. Not only do we have people saying "Don't impeach Trump that will make him stronger and give him more votes" we also have people saying that Impeachment (even if it uncovers and clearly shows crime) is pointless because "people already know how they will vote."

If people are already people already know how they will vote that's good news. Trump did not win the popular vote last time, 2018 was not a good election for him and his approval rating is trash. That points to him already being at risk. As a bonus we can go ahead and impeach him and put all of his crimes on the table without fearing any negative consequence...like him picking up extra voters. What exactly is lost even if attempting to remove him fails?

Impeachment isn't accountable when the partisan Senate and the entire GOP, including its media outlets is going to change the narrative that the Democrats are out to get Trump. It's going to turn into a political circus.

If people already know how they will vote, why are we concerned with the GOP using the media to change the narrative?

 

[Pressure]

There's no amount of information/documents/testimony where "the Republican Senate...will be convinced of the path that we have to take as a country" and she's lying to herself if she thinks otherwise.

Pelosi needs to be honest with herself and everybody else about Republicans. Republicans in the Senate are never in a million years going to remove Trump from office, no amount of stalling for more documents is going to change that. So she just needs to make a decision one way or another about whether it's worthwhile as a symbolic gesture or not. And if she thinks it's not worth it she needs to just make her case and put the focus on the GOP and their corruption. Saying "I just want to wait until we get enough evidence to convince Republicans" is just not believable.

Tough decision, but nobody forced her to be Speaker of the House.

Nothing changed between yesterday and today.

The redacted Mueller report isn't enough to hang an impeachment on without looking incompetent.