Classics Discussion: 2Pac & Kanye West

[Hyman Roth]

or does it have to be both

Some albums aren't appreciated until years down the line though.

It's why I hate the term instant classic.

I remember when OB4CL2 dropped and everyone went crazy on here.

But who can honestly say they've bumped that album in the last six months?

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Kinda how I feel. Especially more recently, there have been artists/albums that come out and have a pretty significant impact on the direction of the game although their work isn't necessarily flawless. Guess it depends on what kind of impact it has on the game...doesn't necessarily have to be good I guess, but does that make it a classic nonetheless for better or worse?

I feel the title 'classic' needs value, and as you said negative impact can be a bytch.

That's why quality is a pre-requisite for me. Not quality enough, I won't even sniff at it being a classic. That's me personally though. There will never be a universally accepted definition. It's just too contentious a topic, but I'm doing my best to accept everybody's opinions and reach some sort of consensus.

I remember when OB4CL2 dropped and everyone went crazy on here.

But who can honestly say they've bumped that album in the last six months?

me...

 

[DPG]

I don’t think it’s possible to create a double album that has no songs which could be considered filler, but the vast scope, quality and consistency on AEOM is phenomenal imo. I mean, the album was literally hit after hit and was so versatile and diverse. Pac put everything in this album. The only possible filler for me is "What'z Ya Phone #" (which I think is overhated), other than that I genuinely enjoy every track on this album and feel they have a purpose on the project. I honestly couldn't imagine it as a single-disc...

Just out of curiosity Inspect Her Deck, what would you say are the weaker and/or filler tracks?

I voted for MATW, AEOM and Makaveli by the way.

 

[BlackMamba824]

Some albums aren't appreciated until years down the line though.

It's why I hate the term instant classic.

I remember when OB4CL2 dropped and everyone went crazy on here.

But who can honestly say they've bumped that album in the last six months?

Haha I ALMOST played it yesterday, then went for the original

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

I'm penalising for filler tbh but that's me personally. I won't hold a grudge against anyone who calls AEOM a classic.

The best songs are really up there you're right about that. I just think the only double album to ever pull off classic status because of absolutely minimal filler is Wu-Tang Forever. That could be bias but that was an exceptional album.

You got a bum as a name and avi with no classics. AEOM is a certified classic. Same fukk nigas claiming AEOM has filler are the same nikkas who will big up albums with songs they like that cant fukk with AEOM's "filler"

 

[mobbinfms]

is there such thing as a GOAT Pac stan breh?

Dude couldn't fukking read and took his irrational anger out on OP, which happened to be me lol.

I mean it's tough not to put your own personal opinion on things. But yeah idk, did you vote both no for Kanye?

Yeah. @Nomad1 was just fukking around. That's my #tnt breh.
He gets upset sometimes because Pac stole his entire image from Prodigy from Mobb Deep.

Yeah I voted no for both Kanye albums. But I'm wondering if I made the right decision.

 

[Techniec]

You one of the biggest 2pac cocksuckers on this site, you musty fakkit. Stfu.

Anyways, I got AEOM and 7day as classics from Pac.

College Dropout and Late Registration from Ye.

My immediate reaction is who the fukk is this faccot whose all on his feelings?



Then I remembered you're that moist bytch that stans Wu and sent other male posters shirtless pictures of yourself

 

[Still Benefited]

lol goddamn

my mind is a little fukked but I see where you're going with this.

to answer your question, I agree with you on disc 1, and I would never condemn an album for having 1 filler track or what can be categorised as minimal filler. Ain't No nikka doesn't ruin RD and doesn't detract from its classic status, neither does Mamacita for Aquemini and so on and so forth. So disc 1 is great in my books. Disc 2 though. It's not so much a STRETCH of bad songs that ruin momentum but it's more like 1 good 1 bad 1 good 1 bad that ruins the flow for me. So I gotta ignore your flatline analogy because that's not how it works for me. Disc 2 is way too 50/50 in my books and since it constitutes as half of the whole album, then it counts for something.

I'd say 75% of the tracks are great, but the other 25% are poor. I need a higher percentage than that in the quality department to justify being called a classic. That's why I feel that shorter albums of maybe 13/14 tracks can survive with max 2 filler tracks in my books at least. Short and sweet is the recipe to success...unless you're Wu-Tang Forever lol.

BUT, I do like your way of thinking and totally respect that it's how you came to your decision. Props to you man, a lot more rational than others.

Cant be mad at this explanation,I wont even be able to wrap my mind around the fact people think some of these songs are not good,and even bad.

Even though I get people don't like chick songs,and disc 2 has a few,and some people wont appreciate a Richie Rich Pac collab like some of us do...or understand why Aint Hard to Find is iconic...Disc 2 is more west coast centric than Disc 1 is,may not live up to all time commercial west coast classic songs if you comparing it to Doggystyle or some shyt....but some of the tracks on there do reach some of the same high points to me,and the rest are very high caliber west coast songs

 

[GeeEffKay]

both got 3 id say, but everyone definition of a classic is different

 

[kingofnyc]

I must be a prophet because I predicted your stannery and sure enough your next post is about Pac being the best songwriter in hip-hop history


and you gave him like 5 classics? Just stop this already. And TWICE you failed to understand how the thread works. This is not a comparison between artists and it's not disrespectful. I'm doing it because it works with the poll restrictions.

pay that lame azz nikka -no fukking mind

his delusional azz thinks 'thug life' is an classic
i told him that bullshyt was a ((weed plate))-thereafter i go to youtube to take a 2nd listen being its been 2 decades

to only take back my original comment
wouldnt even call it a ((weed plate)) cause that would be dissrespectful to my weed
real talk

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

I don’t think it’s possible to create a double album that has no songs which could be considered filler, but the vast scope, quality and consistency on AEOM is phenomenal in my opinion. I mean, the album was literally hit after hit and was so versatile and diverse. Pac put everything in this album. The only possible filler for me is "What'z Ya Phone #", other than that I genuinely enjoy every track on this album. I honestly couldn't imagine it as a single-disc...

Just out of curiosity @Inspect Her Deck, what would you say are the weaker and/or filler tracks?

I voted for MATW, AEOM and Makaveli by the way.

Well Wu-Tang Forever to me only has two tracks that could be DEEMED filler and that's Dog shyt and Black Shampoo, but even so I enjoy them. My personal enjoyment of them reflects more on my bias though than anything. They're filler by nature.

I actually fukk with What'z ya Phone # but that shyt is also clearly filler.

AEOM, the tracks I deem filler, or just not great:
- No More Pain
- What's ya Phone #
- Thug Passion
- Ratha be ya nikka
- Run Tha Streetz
- Heaven Ain't Hard 2 Find (or the other one that has a similar name; can't remember which)

and it's not necessarily that they're straight up WACK, but just very unmemorable and uninteresting. Some of this shyt, especially disc 2, feels like one long song.

 

[kingofnyc]

Didn't even read, just the notion to draw any comparison is ridiculously stupid

Me Against the World, All Eyez on Me, and The Don Killuminati The 7 Day Theory are all top 10/top 5, arguably GOAT albums - throw in Thug Life: Volume 1 and you've got Tupac dropping nothing but classic material between 1994-1996, consistency doing better than Ray Allen at the free throw line. Tupac is by far the greatest songwriter to ever come out of hip-hop, his work transcends the genre. If hip-hop were to die, Tupac's work would still endure - that's why his fan base was so annoyed when they started trying to make the production on the posthumous releases sound like the current sound of hip-hop.

Tupac's songwriting is unsurpassed. He was more productive, more successful, more creative, and more influential than any other act in hip-hop. For me, quite simply, Tupac's songwriting is one of popular music's greatest treasures - far beyond just hip-hop

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[Billy Ocean]

My immediate reaction is who the fukk is this faccot whose all on his feelings?



Then I remembered you're that moist bytch that stans Wu and sent other male posters shirtless pictures of yourself

Naw bozo. And you clearly mad af at me spittin the truth in my post. You a musty, towel headed f@ggot. A spade a spade. Now stay the fvck out this thread trying to derail.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

You got a bum as a name and avi with no classics. AEOM is a certified classic. Same fukk nigas claiming AEOM has filler are the same nikkas who will big up albums with songs they like that cant fukk with AEOM's "filler"

Inspectah Deck shyts out verses better than Pac.

No classics? I suppose being the best rapper on 36 Chambers and Wu-Tang Forever doesn't mean much, eh?

And you know if INS got his verse on Pac's AEOM album he would have renegaded

 

[mobbinfms]

It's one of those records that any report, publication, book, documentary, whatever ... that examines rap culture ... HAS to mention AEOM.

I think any comprehensive publication will definitely mention it. 200 years from now when hip hop is reduced to a paragraph, and one album is mentioned, I bet it's Illmatic
But it'll probably be some Eminem album