Christians, Jews, Muslims, Catholics, and the NOI all believe in the same God.

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One was written 600 years before the other.


No. YHWH only 'sent' Jesus. It 'revealed itself' to Abraham and Moses.​

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Quran 5:44 said:
It was We who revealed the law (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to Allah's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear me, and sell not my signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) Unbelievers.

Quran 5:46 said:
And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.

Let's just ignore this. Contact the 2 billion Muslims in the world and resurrect every dead one. Let them know this whole time they weren't worshiping Allah, they were instead worshiping illah. This according to @Dafunkdoc_Unlimited on the coli. :ohhh:
 
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Quran 4:157-158

Sahih International: And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

Pickthall: And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.

Yusuf Ali: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

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Bart Ehrman said:
The crucifixion of Jesus by the Romans is one of the most secure facts we have about his life. Whenever anyone writes a book about the historical Jesus, it is really (really, really) important to see if what they say about his public ministry can make sense of his death. If not, then you have a problem. For example, if Jesus is best understood principally as a great rabbi who taught his followers they should love one another, and even love their enemies – why would the Romans execute him? (Oh no! We can’t have you *loving* us! To the cross with you!) Or if Jesus were a Jewish cynic philosopher who taught his followers not to be invested in the material things of this world but to share what they have and be concerned only with spiritual things – what would make that a capital offense? (How many cynics were crucified?) Or if Jesus were principally interested in equality for women, or in having his followers adopt proto-Marxist principles or .. whatever – why was he killed? If a scholar tries to explain Jesus life in a way that really doesn’t make much sense of his death, then that should be the first clue that something is amiss.

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Quran 4:157-158

Sahih International: And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

Pickthall: And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.

Yusuf Ali: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

:ohhh:



:francis:

How does a disputed fact about JESUS prove Allah is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT deity? :stopitslime:

Please stop, breh. You are EMBARRASSING yourself. :snoop:
 

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Johnny Kilroy said:
How does a disputed fact about JESUS prove Allah is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT deity?

How does asking inane questions prove Allah and YHWH are the same "god" when they have different names, attributes, and one CLEARLY got the story wrong?...... Several times.​
 

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How does asking inane questions prove Allah and YHWH are the same "god" when they have different names, attributes, and one CLEARLY got the story wrong?...... Several times.​

As was obvious, you are simply biased, friend. You have been taught something since birth and you BELIEVE it whole heartedly. You don't know it, you just believe it because it's all you've known since birth.

But pretty much anyone who has studied this subject for half a second disagrees with you. :yeshrug:

These 3 faiths are known ALL AROUND THE WORLD as the Abrahamic faiths because all of their respective followers worship the God of Abraham. In Spain, they say Dios, is that a different deity too? :jbhmm: Or just a different language? :heh: You're MUCH smarter than this breh. Your pride is betraying you right now.
 

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As was obvious, you are simply biased, friend. You have been taught something since birth and you BELIEVE it whole heartedly.

I'm a theological noncognitivist and there's literally TONS of material about this subject in libraries and online, so that particular criticism doesn't work. Anyone can find the same objective material I read if they're interested enough in the subject. None of it is obscure or hidden, and most of it's free.​
 

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I'm a theological noncognitivist and there's literally TONS of material about this subject in libraries and online, so that particular criticism doesn't work. Anyone can find the same objective material I read if they're interested enough in the subject. None of it is obscure or hidden, and most of it's free.​

I'm gonna trust the people who actually worship Allah over someone who has never truly studied the faith and has shown clear bias and bigotry on the matter. :yeshrug:

Plus common sense :heh:

Abrahamic faiths :jbhmm:

Just because you disagree with with how Muslims view Allah/YHWH doesn't mean you can just make stuff up in your head and pretend it's factual. Not without embarrassing yourself, anyway.
 

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Johnny Kilroy said:
I'm gonna trust the people who actually worship Allah over someone who has never truly studied the faith and has shown clear bias and bigotry on the matter.

Stating objectively true things is showing "clear bias and bigotry"?​

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Just because you disagree with with how Muslims view Allah/YHWH doesn't mean you can just make stuff up in your head and pretend it's factual.

I made up nothing and the facts have been freely available for hundreds of years.​
 

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Stating objectively true things is showing "clear bias and bigotry"?​



I made up nothing and the facts have been freely available for hundreds of years.​

You're approaching this subject like a fan with his mind already made up, denying and ignoring obvious facts that have both presented and others that are common sense and you post as if you have an agenda. I sense disdain in your words. Do you hate Muslims? Is that why you're being completely irrational? :jbhmm:

You made up that Allah and Yahweh aren't the same, despite it being common knowledge to anyone who with a basic understanding of the faiths. Then you contradicted yourself by not applying the same flawed logic regarding the relationship between God and Jesus to the Jews. Then you completely ignored the evidence presented to you, the Quran said explicitly that Allah is the same deity who "revealed the law to Moses" and "sent Jesus". Like just flat out ignore it as if it was never said. :mindblown:

This is intellectual dishonesty. And now you continue to lie both to me and more importantly to yourself.

Sometimes that ether is what we need to grow. I wish you well.
 

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Matthew 9:1-8

Jesus stepped into a boat, crossed over and came to his own town.
2 Some men brought to him a paralyzed man, lying on a mat. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the man, “Take heart, son; your sins are forgiven.”

3 At this, some of the teachers of the law said to themselves, “This fellow is blaspheming!”

4 Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said, “Why do you entertain evil thoughts in your hearts?
5 Which is easier: to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up and walk’?
6 But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.” So he said to the paralyzed man, “Get up, take your mat and go home.”
7 Then the man got up and went home.
8 When the crowd saw this, they were filled with awe; and they praised God, who had given such authority to man.
 
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or maybe its Gad? :jbhmm:

If you dont believe in God, why waste time here? :manny:

you will eventually die and noone will care whether you lived or not or what you did or why you did it :unimpressed: sounds like spiritual malnourishment :jbhmm:

Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 3 - King James Version

“God” is a deity from a Germanic pantheon. If you actually knew and understood anything you’d know better! There’s a reason why the Gospel was written during the Byzantine, you probably never considered thinking about this, since you have never heard of the Byzantine empire or Wulfila. One thing is for sure, these weren’t Hebrews. lol smh

You are a grown man with the IQ of a preteen.

Gaul, French Gaule, Latin Gallia, the region inhabited by the ancient Gauls, comprising modern-day France and parts of Belgium, western Germany, and northern Italy. A Celtic race, the Gauls lived in an agricultural society divided into several tribes ruled by a landed class.

By the 5th century BC the Gauls had migrated south from the Rhine Rivervalley to the Mediterranean coast. By the middle of the 4th century BC various Gallic tribes had established themselves across northern Italy from Milan to the Adriatic coast. The region of Italy occupied by the Gauls was called Cisalpine Gaul (“Gaul this side of the Alps”) by the Romans. In 390 BC the Gauls seized and plundered the city of Rome. This humiliation helped to inspire the Romans’ drive to conquer Gaul. The Cisalpine Gauls pushed into central Italy by 284. In a series of confrontations, the Romans defeated the tribe of the Insubres, took Milan, and established colonies in a buffer zone. In the Second Punic War, Hannibal of Carthage made an alliance with the Gallic Cenomani against the Romans; the Romans prevailed, however, and by 181 Rome had subjugated and colonized Cisalpine Gaul.

During 53–50 Caesar was engaged in suppressing a Gallic revolt led by Vercingetorix. He treated the Gauls generously, leaving their cities with a significant measure of autonomy, and thus secured the allegiance of Gallic soldiers in his civil wars against Pompey in 49–45. A former religious centre of Gallic society, Lugdunum (Lyon) became the capital of Roman Gaul. The country was divided into four provinces: Narbonensis, Aquitania to the west and south of the Loire, Celtica (or Lugdunensis) in central France between the Loire and the Seine, and Belgica in the north and east. The Romans built towns and roads throughout Gaul and taxed the old Gallic landowning class while promoting the development of a middle class of merchants and tradesmen. The emperor Tiberius was obliged to suppress a rebellion of the nobles in 21 AD, and the assimilation of the Gallic aristocracy was secured when the emperor Claudius (41–54 AD) made them eligible for seats in the Roman Senate and appointed them to governing posts in Gaul.

During 53–50 Caesar was engaged in suppressing a Gallic revolt led by Vercingetorix. He treated the Gauls generously, leaving their cities with a significant measure of autonomy, and thus secured the allegiance of Gallic soldiers in his civil wars against Pompey in 49–45. A former religious centre of Gallic society, Lugdunum (Lyon) became the capital of Roman Gaul. The country was divided into four provinces: Narbonensis, Aquitania to the west and south of the Loire, Celtica (or Lugdunensis) in central France between the Loire and the Seine, and Belgica in the north and east. The Romans built towns and roads throughout Gaul and taxed the old Gallic landowning class while promoting the development of a middle class of merchants and tradesmen. The emperor Tiberius was obliged to suppress a rebellion of the nobles in 21 AD, and the assimilation of the Gallic aristocracy was secured when the emperor Claudius (41–54 AD) made them eligible for seats in the Roman Senate and appointed them to governing posts in Gaul.

In 260 Gaul, Spain, and Britain formed an independent Gallic empire, governed from Trier. The emperor Aurelian reclaimed Gaul for Rome in 273, but Germanic tribes devastated the country as far as Spain. Under Diocletian and his successors, reforms in defense and administration were instituted, but Gaul became a centre of the unrest that was fragmenting the empire. In the middle of the 4th century the tide of invasions swelled. By the 5th century the Visigoths had taken Aquitania, the Franks ruled Belgica, and the Burgundians dominated the Rhine. By the time the kingdom of the Frankish Merovingians arose, in the early 6th century, the Romans had lost control of Gaul.

In the end, Gaul proved to be an important repository of Roman culture. Gallic writers long kept the classical Roman literary tradition alive. Many of the amphitheatres, aqueducts, and other Roman works built in Gaul still stand.
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One was written 600 years before the other.


No. YHWH only 'sent' Jesus. It 'revealed itself' to Abraham and Moses.​
If you think that Torah and Gospel was written all at once you are absolutely clueless.

And no YHWH is not the only descriptor! lol smh

And nowhere in the Gospel the word YHWH is being used, nowhere! Show where in Hebrew text "Abraham" and "Moses" both used YHWH?

This thing here is getting up to hilarious.

How does asking inane questions prove Allah and YHWH are the same "god" when they have different names, attributes, and one CLEARLY got the story wrong?...... Several times.​

Well "expert", YHWH and Elohim etc. all have different attributes as well.

Like Arab Muslims, Arab Christians refer to God as Allah, as an Arabic word for "God". The use of the term Allah in Arab Christian churches predates Islam by several centuries. The Christian al-Chemor family ruled two sheikhdoms in Northern Lebanon, Koura from 1211 to 1633 AD and the Zawyia region of Zgharta from 1641 to 1747 AD.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Christians#:~:text=Like Arab Muslims, Arab Christians refer to God,region of Zgharta from 1641 to 1747 AD.
 
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“God” is a deity from a Germanic pantheon. If you actually knew and understood anything you’d know better! There’s a reason why the Gospel was written during the Byzantine, you probably never considered thinking about this, since you have never heard of the Byzantine empire or Wulfila. One thing is for sure, these weren’t Hebrews. lol smh

You are a grown man with the IQ of a preteen.


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nothing you have posted is coherent or makes sense

are you drunk? :dahell:

Genesis 9:25-26

25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

26 And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

Thou art my son

incline your ear, and read my scriptures instead of babbling about byzantines, caesar and gauls :mjgrin:
 
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nothing you have posted is coherent or makes sense

are you drunk? :dahell:

Genesis 9:25-26



Thou art my son

incline your ear, and read my scriptures instead of babbling about byzantines, caesar and gauls :mjgrin:

Dumbass! :russ: You are literally the dumbest person I’ve ever come in contact with!

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