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I was mostly referring to the final act, which delves into concepts beyond any existing theory. For the rest of the space stuff, this approach works because it is based on existing concepts and ideas. The same basically goes for 2001 which is largely about space exploration based on existing concepts and one act delving into the complete unknown.
Right.... so you initially said it lacks imagination yet in the next breath you're saying it delves into concepts beyond any existing theory. That's pretty much showing imagination, albeit in a faux-Spielberg type of way.
I think this complaint only counts for the second half of the movie

after the kids become adults and it's all about Murph to the point you can wonder why they put Cooper's son (whose name I can't even remember) in the movie in the first place, because nothing he does matters and there's not even a conclusion to his character. Then you've got Brand's big speech about the power of love which definitely feels heavy handed but I thought at least fit the overall message the movie tried to convey, and Mann's actions which I've already said was the point where the movie started to lose it.

All the first act stuff though with Cooper trying to raise his children in a world where hope has died and his beliefs making him a 'man out of time' was perfect to me though. I can't see anyone finding fault in that stuff.

I can't really disagree with you there, however that's only the first act - which is only 45 minutes. When we hear '4,3,2,1' that's when all these relationships that the film planted go out the window. I feel as though, the acting carried the interactions throughout the first act, not the dialogue and script. The time that he tells Murph he's leaving and when he leaves, feels like its paced too fast. You don't manage to get a bearing of where both of them sit and he's gone.... which is mostly down to the film's time constraints, but the relationships never feel full and realized. And by the time we get into the second act, the interactions are so baseless they verge on being comedic. Then that Thomas' villanelle uttered over and over doesn't work, the humor doesn't work (oddly enough only the moments with TARS do), really the only dialogue that works, is the commentary of theory, which I think was great and not too 'let's see how far I can go over your head'. That spiel about the transcendence of love was beyond drop-my-head-and-shake-profusely status... Nolan couldn't make the females any more emotion-over-logic driven if he tried..... like why the fukk did he carry that daddy issues symptom throughout the entire second act, it ruined a natural growth of their father/daughter bond..... Murph had what two-three decades of practicing astrophysics and half-knowing why her pops had to leave..... yet this bytch took like 20 years to make her first video (probably because they didn't wanna add a teenage lookalike or make Chastain look young enough), and was still holding that shyt against Cooper... I can understand some bitterness towards him, but her anger and childish antics were just as strong as they were when she was an adolescent. Then the film's build alluded to her brother as if he was some psychopathic murderer-type dude.... that whole scene prior to her encounter with her pops while he was in the fifth dimension, and the tension that Nolan built, while she was trying to find an answer in her room and Getty waiting outside trying to tell her to hurry up because her brother was about to come back..... was beyond pointless. All the women were weak as fukk in the film. Murph, Brand, Cooper's daughter-in-law, even those extras around town looked mad vulnerable and had turtle-in-its-shell gait. Do Cooper and Brand ever build enough rapport or realistic friction that highlights the scale and despair of the situation.... i mean that relationship was pretty thin.

That whole scene where Mann's character does a 180 +his fight with Cooper was :dwillhuh::comeon::patrice::what::skip::troll:

I can't criticize the height of the film's vision, I can criticize that Nolan isn't quite up to par to reach those heights. Its vision is only too big for its own good because Nolan's vision doesn't extend beyond the point where theory becomes fantasy.
Wait, what..... so at the top you he goes into concepts beyond any existing theory (going into fantasy) and now you're saying that he doesn't extend beyond theory to the point where he goes into fantasy?

:dwillhuh:
 
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Right.... so you initially said it lacks imagination yet in the next breath you're saying it delves into concepts beyond any existing theory. That's pretty much showing imagination, albeit in a faux-Spielberg type of way.


I can't really disagree with you there, however that's only the first act - which is only 45 minutes. When we hear '4,3,2,1' that's when all these relationships that the film planted go out the window. I feel as though, the acting carried the interactions throughout the first act, not the dialogue and script. The time that he tells Murph he's leaving and when he leaves, feels like its paced too fast. You don't manage to get a bearing of where both of them sit and he's gone.... which is mostly down to the film's time constraints, but the relationships never feel full and realized. And by the time we get into the second act, the interactions are so baseless they verge on being comedic. Then that Thomas' villanelle uttered over and over doesn't work, the humor doesn't work (oddly enough only the moments with TARS do), really the only dialogue that works, is the commentary of theory, which I think was great and not too 'let's see how far I can go over your head'. That spiel about the transcendence of love was beyond drop-my-head-and-shake-profusely status... Nolan couldn't make the females any more emotion-over-logic driven if he tried..... like why the fukk did he carry that daddy issues symptom throughout the entire second act, it ruined a natural growth of their father/daughter bond..... Murph had what two-three decades of practicing astrophysics and half-knowing why her pops had to leave..... yet this bytch took like 20 years to make her first video (probably because they didn't wanna add a teenage lookalike or make Chastain look young enough), and was still holding that shyt against Cooper... I can understand some bitterness towards him, but her anger and childish antics were just as strong as they were when she was an adolescent. Then the film's build alluded to her brother as if he was some psychopathic murderer-type dude.... that whole scene prior to her encounter with her pops while he was in the fifth dimension, and the tension that Nolan built, while she was trying to find an answer in her room and Getty waiting outside trying to tell her to hurry up because her brother was about to come back..... was beyond pointless. All the women were weak as fukk in the film. Murph, Brand, Cooper's daughter-in-law, even those extras around town looked mad vulnerable and had turtle-in-its-shell gait. Do Cooper and Brand ever build enough rapport or realistic friction that highlights the scale and despair of the situation.... i mean that relationship was pretty thin.

That whole scene where Mann's character does a 180 +his fight with Cooper was :dwillhuh::comeon::patrice::what::skip::troll:


Wait, what..... so at the top you he goes into concepts beyond any existing theory (going into fantasy) and now you're saying that he doesn't extend beyond theory to the point where he goes into fantasy?

:dwillhuh:

I'ma respond to your spoiler later because I'm gonna need some time to expand on some stuff but I agree for the most part.

The point I'm making is that Nolan tries to go into these concepts, but can't really handle them because it's so far removed from his area of expertise. That's why I say that a director who is more capable in those areas (both fantasy scifi and human drama) could've probably made the third act work better than Nolan did.
 

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I thought a huge issue with Inception was that for a dreamworld it just looked so generic. It didn't have to go all Paprika on me but the dreamscape really doesn't go further than a spinning hallway and a train driving through traffic. I've got the same feeling here, that Nolan lets 'realism' limit the possibilities of his ideas for no good reason. Maybe it's just that (the idea that everything needs to be grounded as much as possible) but at times it really does come off as Nolan just not having the imagination for it either. The third act follows that line because it does go all Kubrick on us in the sense it's pure made-up high concept scifi fantasy, but the way Nolan puts it on the screen is about as generic as possible and like I said in spoilers, I think a more imaginative filmmaker could have nailed it. And I think that's the real reason some critics have started to acknowledge the limitations of Nolan's vision, because no other movie has ever pushed Nolan this close to material so 'out there' that it becomes clear how much he refrains from actually going there.

And that sucks, because again, in the movie's finest moments we get to see Nolan at his absolute best.

I can respect that.
 

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All I know these polarizing reviews have me MORE amped than if it was just an overwhelmingly acclaimed review. I am going into this movie TOTALLY blind, expectation-wise. But with me being a die hard Nolan fan, I KNOW I will enjoy it regardless. shyt, I love PROMETHEUS and that movie has outrageous flaws in that movie. So, I know I'll get my money's worth either way.
 

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So how many times does Nolan explain the plot to the audience in this?
 

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I can't really disagree with you there, however that's only the first act - which is only 45 minutes. When we hear '4,3,2,1' that's when all these relationships that the film planted go out the window. I feel as though, the acting carried the interactions throughout the first act, not the dialogue and script. The time that he tells Murph he's leaving and when he leaves, feels like its paced too fast. You don't manage to get a bearing of where both of them sit and he's gone.... which is mostly down to the film's time constraints, but the relationships never feel full and realized. And by the time we get into the second act, the interactions are so baseless they verge on being comedic. Then that Thomas' villanelle uttered over and over doesn't work, the humor doesn't work (oddly enough only the moments with TARS do), really the only dialogue that works, is the commentary of theory, which I think was great and not too 'let's see how far I can go over your head'. That spiel about the transcendence of love was beyond drop-my-head-and-shake-profusely status... Nolan couldn't make the females any more emotion-over-logic driven if he tried..... like why the fukk did he carry that daddy issues symptom throughout the entire second act, it ruined a natural growth of their father/daughter bond..... Murph had what two-three decades of practicing astrophysics and half-knowing why her pops had to leave..... yet this bytch took like 20 years to make her first video (probably because they didn't wanna add a teenage lookalike or make Chastain look young enough), and was still holding that shyt against Cooper... I can understand some bitterness towards him, but her anger and childish antics were just as strong as they were when she was an adolescent. Then the film's build alluded to her brother as if he was some psychopathic murderer-type dude.... that whole scene prior to her encounter with her pops while he was in the fifth dimension, and the tension that Nolan built, while she was trying to find an answer in her room and Getty waiting outside trying to tell her to hurry up because her brother was about to come back..... was beyond pointless. All the women were weak as fukk in the film. Murph, Brand, Cooper's daughter-in-law, even those extras around town looked mad vulnerable and had turtle-in-its-shell gait. Do Cooper and Brand ever build enough rapport or realistic friction that highlights the scale and despair of the situation.... i mean that relationship was pretty thin.

That whole scene where Mann's character does a 180 +his fight with Cooper was :dwillhuh::comeon::patrice::what::skip::troll:


Okay, here goes...

I think there's definitely a transition problem with how they go from him leaving Murph behind to them going into space. I dealt with it because I'm sure it would've gotten incredibly sciency had they gone there. I fukking love TARS and he made a lot of the movie work for me, mostly because after Duncan Jones' Moon we finally got another movie where an AI doesn't go evil on us because it is simply programmed to assist us.


Now let's get into the movie's biggest underlying theme: mankind's drive for survival. It gets brought up and explained a lot but it all harkens back to what Prof. Brand says on his dying bed. Man is incapable of seeing the big picture and work towards helping the entire species, they can only relate through close proxy (friends, family). Cooper, Murph, both Brands and Mann all represent aspects of that drive for survival. Prof. Brand is the absolute, who detaches himself so much from close relation he lies to everyone to ensure the mission's success, at the cost of every human. Cooper is the prime example of what Prof. Brand talks about, the person who literally only relates through proxy. His sole reason for joining the mission is to find a way to save his children, and he is constantly shown willing to sacrifice/compromise the mission to ensure that. Brand portrays a middle road, someone who does care for the mission's success but when the chances of success become smaller, starts rationalizing the path that fulfills her own needs (her love for Edmund) before those of mankind. It's self-driven, but still follows a rationale in which both needs (her own and mankind's) can be fulfilled. Then you got Murph, who believes her father left her to die and was lied to by her own mentor, and as such is driven to save mankind, and believes it can be saved. At the end spectrum of that is Mann, a hypocrite whose survival instincts are utterly and completely selfish, a man willing to sacrifice the entire mission and all of mankind to ensure he alone can live.

For what it's worth, the characters all act in accordance to the theme of survival. The problem is that because they fill such specific roles their actions do not always make a lot of sense, especailly when the movie gets into the typical Nolan exposition-heavy speeches (Brand's big speech about the power of love, Mann's Col. Kurtz rantings, etc.) which read like philosophical essays and not actual human dialogue. And although I loved Murph's first video to her father, I thought it made no sense she would so comfortably work for the organization that took him away and in fact work closely with the actual man who convinced her father to leave her all while resenting her father for leaving her.

But none of that lives up to the madness of her brother and his family. Why was he such a hard-ass about Murph trying to get his wife and son help so they wouldn't die of the dust? Why indeed build him up as if he's going to murder her for setting his crops on fire if nothing's gonna come from it? Matter of fact, when Murph hugs him and smiles and says she has found out the truth about their father, why does he still have the psycho stare going on? And why does it cut away there and we never see him again? At least the other characters serve a purpose in the plot, and that's why I can tolerate it, but everything involving her brother was just a complete and utter mess.
 

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I think this was my first movie i've seen with the shifting aspect ratios. at least in the Imax

I don't hit the IMAX much so i thought that was dope

I did think the movie was gonna be more "colorful" due to the posters though
 

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So how many times does Nolan explain the plot to the audience in this?
Name one Nolan film that's NOT loaded with exposition. It wouldn't be a true Nolan film without it.

I basically ignore that criticism whenever it's brought up. It's to be expected.
 

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how smart is Brandt? is he the smartest physicist in the movie? (michael caines character)
 

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who's Kip Thorne?
One of the most respected astrophysicist of living today. He is an expert in understanding wormholes, event horizens and black holes.
He's the one that is Nolan's personal advisor and researcher over everything for this film for scientific accuracy or plausibility.
 
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