China warns Taiwan that the US will abandon it like Afghanistan

[Json]

China thinks they’d win a traditional military conflict?

They still stealing our military secrets to bolster their army?

 

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Taiwan is nothing like the Afghanistan situation.

We’ve had this convo many times before. If China makes that move, we’ll suffer for a bit, but we send their economy back to the Stone Age and with it any chance of them becoming #1 for the next 2 centuries.

From a military standpoint… why is this even a discussion? Germany and the UK are already parking warships in the South China Sea, Japan, Australia and India are already onboard. This wild illusion that China has this great military that can go toe to toe with the US, let alone the US and it’s allies is laughable.

I got time explain to me how this happens?

 

[BushidoBrown]

It will come. Not now, but it will come.

why cant we just be cool with this nikkas and dine on fried duck together. Help eachother manufacture computer chips n shyt

 

[aXiom]

I got time explain to me how this happens?

China's economy is based on cheap manufacturing/labor. This worked wonders for them over the past 40 years and allowed them to pull hundreds of millions out of poverty, build a middle class and increase their GDP tremendously during this time frame, but it's not sustainable for a developed country. As their middle class grows and the cost of living and quality of life improves, that cheap labor pool shrinks and the labor costs increase. China is only good to the West as long as the labor+logistics is cheaper than other developing countries. Its currently in a race against time to switch from their cheap labor/manufacturing export economy or it will get stuck in a middle income trap. The west was already slowly shifting manufacturing to other developing countries and COVID just sped up this process. China's economic powerhouse status is entirely dependent on the continued influx of the dollar/eruo. If they have nothing the west deems valuable their economy stalls.

This is one of the reasons there's a huge technology push from the current regime and why the move Trump made against Huawei was really a chess move. There's a tech cold war going on right now and Taiwan is basically gold because of their chip manufacturing prowess. Anyone who thinks the US won't pull all the stops to defend Taiwan isn't paying attention.

Still.. China needs the west more than the west needs China. It won't be pretty for either side but China will suffer much more longer lasting economic effects if they get out of pocket before they can walk on their own 2 feet.

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

Bases are a redline for China.


They said if US did that they would attack.

Lol they'd pop off expeditiously if we put a base on Taiwan. They halfway don't want bases on South Korea lol.

the U.S. is all up in China's backyard already.
119 bases in Japan
80 bases in South Korea
the 7th fleet...breh
fukk a red line, the U.S. has been diddy bopping in the South China Sea since before WWII and never stopped.
can't...won't.

Overseas Base Realignment and Closure Coalition Website

no mention of the UK, who were the major power who supposedly gaf about taiwan

came in here to say just that.
the UK is taking immigrants from Taiwan at an increased rate from what i heard.

China's economy is based on cheap manufacturing/labor. This worked wonders for them over the past 40 years and allowed them to pull hundreds of millions out of poverty, build a middle class and increase their GDP tremendously during this time frame, but it's not sustainable for a developed country. As their middle class grows and the cost of living and quality of life improves, that cheap labor pool shrinks and the labor costs increase. China is only good to the West as long as the labor+logistics is cheaper than other developing countries. Its currently in a race against time to switch from their cheap labor/manufacturing export economy or it will get stuck in a middle income trap. The west was already slowly shifting manufacturing to other developing countries and COVID just sped up this process. China's economic powerhouse status is entirely dependent on the continued influx of the dollar/eruo. If they have nothing the west deems valuable their economy stalls.

This is one of the reasons there's a huge technology push from the current regime and why the move Trump made against Huawei was really a chess move. There's a tech cold war going on right now and Taiwan is basically gold because of their chip manufacturing prowess. Anyone who thinks the US won't pull all the stops to defend Taiwan isn't paying attention.

Still.. China needs the west more than the west needs China. It won't be pretty for either side but China will suffer much more longer lasting economic effects if they get out of pocket before they can walk on their own 2 feet.

+10

 

[HabitualChiller]

Another reason why we can't just back down is that it directly contradicts our massive military budget. We have the largest military budget in the world and it isn't even close, so if we just back down to China, then why the fukk do we spend so much on our military if we just let our biggest threat forcibly annex our allies?

 

[Tom Foolery]

China's economy is based on cheap manufacturing/labor. This worked wonders for them over the past 40 years and allowed them to pull hundreds of millions out of poverty, build a middle class and increase their GDP tremendously during this time frame, but it's not sustainable for a developed country. As their middle class grows and the cost of living and quality of life improves, that cheap labor pool shrinks and the labor costs increase. China is only good to the West as long as the labor+logistics is cheaper than other developing countries. Its currently in a race against time to switch from their cheap labor/manufacturing export economy or it will get stuck in a middle income trap. The west was already slowly shifting manufacturing to other developing countries and COVID just sped up this process. China's economic powerhouse status is entirely dependent on the continued influx of the dollar/eruo. If they have nothing the west deems valuable their economy stalls.

This is one of the reasons there's a huge technology push from the current regime and why the move Trump made against Huawei was really a chess move. There's a tech cold war going on right now and Taiwan is basically gold because of their chip manufacturing prowess. Anyone who thinks the US won't pull all the stops to defend Taiwan isn't paying attention.

Still.. China needs the west more than the west needs China. It won't be pretty for either side but China will suffer much more longer lasting economic effects if they get out of pocket before they can walk on their own 2 feet.

This is more of a 20 years down the road strategy. As of today, no one can match China's production and quality right now. They've already looked around and China can't be beat, which is why they are still there.

And China is doing a better job being less reliant on the West than the West being less reliant on China.

 

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China's economy is based on cheap manufacturing/labor. This worked wonders for them over the past 40 years and allowed them to pull hundreds of millions out of poverty, build a middle class and increase their GDP tremendously during this time frame, but it's not sustainable for a developed country. As their middle class grows and the cost of living and quality of life improves, that cheap labor pool shrinks and the labor costs increase. China is only good to the West as long as the labor+logistics is cheaper than other developing countries. Its currently in a race against time to switch from their cheap labor/manufacturing export economy or it will get stuck in a middle income trap. The west was already slowly shifting manufacturing to other developing countries and COVID just sped up this process. China's economic powerhouse status is entirely dependent on the continued influx of the dollar/eruo. If they have nothing the west deems valuable their economy stalls.

This is one of the reasons there's a huge technology push from the current regime and why the move Trump made against Huawei was really a chess move. There's a tech cold war going on right now and Taiwan is basically gold because of their chip manufacturing prowess. Anyone who thinks the US won't pull all the stops to defend Taiwan isn't paying attention.

Still.. China needs the west more than the west needs China. It won't be pretty for either side but China will suffer much more longer lasting economic effects if they get out of pocket before they can walk on their own 2 feet.

You guys keep on quoting the same sources with the wrong information time and time again. Starting to think nobody knows what is going on over here at all. Blown away how misinformed everyone is but, one thing covid has taught me misinformation can be an incredible tool if used well.

1. Take a look and China's GDP composition and you will see that has shifted from a heavily export nation to a more balanced economy. Don't have time to post a pie chart but it is all over the web. Anyone can take a look. This isn't the 1970s anymore.
2. If I had a dollar for every time someone talked about the "middle-income trap" you know the rest. This is where I see people truly don't understand the history and how nuisance works. This is not Japan in the 1990s or Germany in the 1980s or Latin America in any relevant time period, they are following the Singapore playbook.
3. China doesn't need the west. The only reason why they want you to think that the west is needed is that they don't want a war. As they are following the playbook of the warring period from their dynasties period 400 BCE to 200 BCE. It is silly to think that this is some empty vessel that has never seen this scenario before.
4. Nobody cares about the dollar, America is 20% of Global GDP. The only reason why people use the dollar is that its part of an antique setup formed during the Bretton Woods. That convex will break. Just nobody is ready to set up to the plate to put their bid in for the reserve currency.
5. Not sure why everyone keeps on thinking the west is important to sustain growth, the play is and has always been Asia and Africa for China. China didn't need the west, don't believe me ask 2008!

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

@ that comic

 

[AyBrehHam Linkin]

Bases are a redline for China.


They said if US did that they would attack.

US troops are already stationed in Taiwan lol. Unofficially. Mostly Green Berets, Marine spec ops etc. You can see videos of them training with Taiwan counterparts on twitter

 

[HabitualChiller]

. You guys keep on getting quoting the same sources with the same wrong information time and time again. Starting to really think nobody knows what is going on over here at all. Blown away how misinformed everyone is but, one thing covid has taught me misinformation can be an incredible tool if used well.

1. Take a look and China GDP composition and your will see that have shifted from a heavily export nation to a more balanced economy. Don't have time to post a pie chart but its all over the web. Anyone can take a look. This isn't the 1970s anymore, people can chew and pat there heads.
2. If I had a dollar for every time someone talked about the "middle income trap" you know the rest. This is where I see people truly don't understand history and how nuisance works. This is not Japan of the 1990s or Germany of the 1980s or Latin America period pick any relevant time period, they are following the playbook Singapore.
3. China doesn't need the west, the only reason why they want you to think that the west is needed because they don't want a war. As they are following the playbook of the warring period from their dynasties period 400 BCE to 200 BCE. It is silly and ridiculous to think that this is some empty vessel that has never seen this scenario before.
4. Nobody cares about the dollar, America is 20% of Global GDP only reason why people use the dollar is because its part of antique setup formed during Bretton woods. That convex will break. Just nobody is ready to setup to the plate yet to do it.
5. Not sure why you everyone keeps on thinking the west is important to sustain growth, the play is and has always been Asia and Africa for China. China didn't need the west, don't believe me ask 2008!

Fam, you could've proofread that shyt before you started throwing insults.

 

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Fam, you could've proofread that shyt before you started throwing insults.

Was in a rush, never insulted the cat I quoted at all! Just said he has the wrong sources!

 

[hu3ypdadon]

Those dusty Afghans sent American Troops packing and now you guys are talking tough about going at China?

They will slowly take Taiwan.

You sound extremely ignorant. US Military destroyed IRAQ and Afghanistan within weeks of war..everything after the collapse of their military has been US occupying the whole damn country which takes a lot to do..The US is one of the strongest militaries the world has seen no mistake about it

 

[loyola llothta]

Taiwan does not want to be under Chinese rule at all. Nobody in the region fukks with China like that. That goes for Japan, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, and the Philippines. The U.S wouldn't be alone in any conflict.

 

[mson]

Facts