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Do you think Taiwan is shyting themselves because of Ukraine?
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Scustin Bieburr
Baby baybee baybee UUUGH
China doesn't need to do anything. America is crashing out and trying to shake down their allies.
All China has to say to Taiwan is "we won't treat you like that. You have more in common with us than you do with them".
All China has to do is keep trying to improve its economy and standard of living for its people. If Taiwan does a referendum and chooses to join China, China would take them in and there isn't shyt America can do about it. Trump is the greatest gift to China you could imagine. Now Europe, Mexico and Canada will be looking to renegotiate their trade deals with China. If Trump is an asset to any country its probably China. Every move he's made has only made people like them more. Especially developing countries now that USAID has been canned.
All China has to say to Taiwan is "we won't treat you like that. You have more in common with us than you do with them".
All China has to do is keep trying to improve its economy and standard of living for its people. If Taiwan does a referendum and chooses to join China, China would take them in and there isn't shyt America can do about it. Trump is the greatest gift to China you could imagine. Now Europe, Mexico and Canada will be looking to renegotiate their trade deals with China. If Trump is an asset to any country its probably China. Every move he's made has only made people like them more. Especially developing countries now that USAID has been canned.
I mean, Israel was at one point…then they got Nukes 
Gritsngravy
Superstar
Isn’t majority of Taiwan economy based on China, why would China need to forcefully take the country
And if they wanted to go that route, how would anybody defend them, especially a country that’s far away
And if they wanted to go that route, how would anybody defend them, especially a country that’s far away
MajesticLion
Veteran
China invading Taiwan is bad for business, ESPECIALLY in HK. The Triads in HK would look at the Chinese authorities in HK like:
Gritsngravy
Superstar
Matter of fact, America doesn’t even believe it can win a war against China
Pull Up the Roots
Veteran
Why do you guys like to make these oversimplifications to paint a rosy picture of China? Why do you ignore their repression in Hong Kong, the oppression and persecution of ethnic minorities in their country, their reeducation camps, the Uyghur genocide and repression, their military aggression in the South China Sea, and Taiwan's own drive for independence? Y'all act like China is some benevolent power just waiting for the US to self-destruct, but that view is not in touch with reality.
Taiwanese people reject unification and see themselves as a sovereign nation. If they wanted to be part of China, they would have done so already. Instead, China threatens them with military force, airspace violations, and diplomatic isolation. They're not going to willingly open up to China, even in the face of Trump destroying this country's reputation.
Look at Hong Kong, they were promised autonomy under "One Country, Two Systems," yet China cracked down on protests, jailed pro-democracy activists, and dismantled press freedom. If China treats its own people like this, why would Taiwan expect anything different?
Look at their treatment of Uyghurs, and how they're forced into "reeducation camps (modern-day concentration camps)." They undergo forced labor, mass surveillance, sterilizations, on top of total cultural erasure. China's brand of repression extends to Tibetans and Mongols in Inner Mongolia too.
China also ignores international rulings and bullies its neighbors in the South China Sea. They harass Filipino and Vietnamese fishing vessels, build artificial islands, and militarize disputed waters.
You can hate US foreign policy all you want, but the constant romanticizing of China like they're some good guy is just delusional.
Sir Richard Spirit
Superstar
@mayordecay26 minutes ago
And they announced it in December 2022. Only thing you can thank this guy for is not relentlessly taken the credit for it
You and the comment are wrong.. this is 100 billion more on top of the 65 billion Biden announced in 2014.
Pull Up the Roots
Veteran
China may not have a history of large-scale invasions like the US or Russia, but it has used military force to assert territorial claims (Tibet, Vietnam, India). It also regularly conducts military exercises near Taiwan where they simulate blockades and air incursions. It's true that China prefers coercion over outright invasion, but that doesn't rule out using force if coercion efforts fail. Its actions in the South China Sea further demonstrate its willingness to expand territory through military show of force.
Scustin Bieburr
Baby baybee baybee UUUGH
America had a chance to be a benefactor to Taiwan and it blew it when it elected two senile men who don't know what the fukk they're doing.
China is a country that is brutal, but so is the U.S. the propaganda is just so strong here that people see the systematic abuse of black people here as just the system making mistakes instead of what it really is: institutional racism that has been woven into the very fabric of this country.
If Taiwan wants to remain independent, they can. China hasn't attacked them or any country. No blood was spilled in Hong Kong or Macau. Meanwhile our tax dollars are funding a holocaust in the middle east.
Do I want Taiwan to stay independent? Yes. Should China not be aggressive in the region? Sure. But if America is putting military bases everywhere to "protect it's interests" it's absurd to get mad at another country doing that shyt in its own geopolitical region.
O.T.I.S.
Veteran
Pull Up the Roots
Veteran
First, I don't see America as the "good guys" either. I fully acknowledge and regularly criticize the institutional racism, the oppression, and the hypocrisy in our foreign policy. But recognizing America's wrongs doesn't mean turning a blind eye to China's. Downplaying China's repression, dismissing its aggression, and acting like Taiwan isn't under constant threat, just because no full-scale invasion has happened yet is a bit silly.
Second, I don't like the campist game where one side's wrongdoing gets excused just because the other side is also bad. You say it's absurd to get mad at China for being aggressive in its own region, but why? If oppression and militarism are wrong, then they're wrong no matter who's doing it. We should be able to criticize China just like we criticize America.
Finally, people on here don't go around romanticizing the US like people have been doing with China lately. I see plenty of people (rightfully) criticizing US hegemony, but when it comes to China's authoritarianism, it suddenly turns into deflections, downplaying, or outright praise, especially when EVs are involved.
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
Isnt some vote happening in Taiwan by 2027 or 2028 in Taiwan where China can basically take over without a single shot?
Im not familiar with things there but it was along those lines that I heard.
Im not familiar with things there but it was along those lines that I heard.
Mister Terrific
It’s in the name
The majority of East Asians think mainland Chinese are savages so that ain’t happening. Nor would Japan and South Korea let it happen even without America.
Mister Terrific
It’s in the name
No. You might be thinking of Hong Kong. Taiwan is completely sovereign and the majority of its citizens consider themselves independent.