Chicago Plagued With at Least 30 Shootings Over Weekend

[marcuz]

So why you arguing against my point? shyt is what I said.

because this comment:

SMH. Always looking to blame other people and help from the same people.

is bullshyt

 

[CashmereThoughts]

its Chicago

 

[Lakers Offseason]

because this comment:

is bullshyt

That is what a lot of people are doing though. Maybe not you, but a good amount of people. There's some truth into that post.

 

[Data-Hawk]

i have to be a father to know broke nikkas aren't good husbands and providers? it most certainly takes proper finances to make sure your kid is raised in a proper environment, with a steady roof over their head, eating healthy food instead of junk. who said anything about fukking video games, you creating another argument with yourself? nobody said its okay to dip out on your child because of your fiances, but what is a skill-less, pennyless man going to teach his children except how to be a burden on a woman? get real



it's a fair point drug dealers aren't spending their money wisely. my own theory is because its dirty money they don't know how to legitimize, so they waste it -- or they're just dudes who came from nothing and feel the need to floss. but are you saying most dudes get into that life for fun, and not because it pays? cus, hell, the people i know selling drugs arent doing it to buy the latest car or shoes, they're doing it because its the only skill set they have to pay the bills.

My point is, being broke doesnt make you a bad dad. You will see when you become a father that just your presence is doing half the work. Now if the father is no good, well the child is partly fukked regardless of the dads bank account.

Now i do agree that if the father is somebody with a skillset than the child will most likely have a better life.. But you can still teach your child right from wrong , show him why where you failed in life..


For the drug dealers, ya most of them were spending their money on stupid stuff. They chose the game because of the older heads they would see with money and the attention they would get, not because they didnt have other skillsets or were poor. Here in West baltimore we have a couple of vocational schools from computer programming , CAD to car repairs. why arent these programs making a difference here? because affer school lets out they have to go home and thats where the problem is..


people seem to dislike when I say most of our problems now are culture issues, I knew kids who were doing well in high school but all of a sudden fell victim to the streets because they werent fitting in..looking back now, im not sure how the hell i made it out.

 

[marcuz]

My point is, being broke doesnt make you a bad dad. You will see when you become a father that just your presence is doing half the work. Now if the father is no good, well the child is partly fukked regardless of the dads bank account.

Now i do agree that if the father is somebody with a skillset than the child will most likely have a better life.. But you can still teach your child right from wrong , show him why where you failed in life..


For the drug dealers, ya most of them were spending their money on stupid stuff. They chose the game because of the older heads they would see with money and the attention they would get, not because they didnt have other skillsets or were poor. Here in West baltimore we have a couple of vocational schools from computer programming , CAD to car repairs. why arent these programs making a difference here? because affer school lets out they have to go home and thats where the problem is..


people seem to dislike when I say most of our problems now are culture issues, I knew kids who were doing well in high school but all of a sudden fell victim to the streets because they were t fitting in..looking back now, im not sure how the hell i made it out.

well, i partially disagree with your first point. i believe a fathers main role is providing structure for his family, you can't do that from a subordinate position. we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

now the bolded, that's exactly what im saying. you talking bout working for fukkin 75 dollars a week like a fukking peasant, when the dudes on the block with the real money are the dealers. if those men were all making 70-150k legitimately, ready to put the next black male on. what do you think all these chicago nikkas would be doing right now? think they'd still be shooting and perusing rap careers?

 

[Data-Hawk]

well, i partially disagree with your first point. i believe a fathers main role is providing structure for his family, you can't do that from a subordinate position. we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

now the bolded, that's exactly what im saying. you talking bout working for fukkin 75 dollars a week like a fukking peasant, when the dudes on the block with the real money are the dealers. if those men were all making 70-150k legitimately, ready to put the next black male on. what do you think all these chicago nikkas would be doing right now? think they'd still be shooting and perusing rap careers?

Thats why I said just creating more jobs will not help.. If you provide male teens with jobs making only say $75 a week it wont be effective because they see others making more $$$. I never disagreed with you there.


That brings up the other problem though, even if you had jobs paying 75k a yr. are they willing to wait and go through the proper training for those jobs? Its the waiting part that makes alot of them give up. My nephew father is in prison and even he had to do some time( he's 18 ) i tried to step in so I went to him and asked him what do you like to do, he told me drawing. So i offered to train him in 3D animation and make some games together.. He straight blew me off..Cant even find the boy..Now if i offfered him $$$$ straight up, the outcome may have been different.



Do i like saying things like this?? noooo.. I dont want to paint things as all doomy. But at the same time.. We have to keep it real and not be on this " ooo not my baby, he'd never do anything like that" stuff that too many of us are on.

 

[Theraflu]

what the fukk is 75 dollars a week going to buy? thats not enough money to cover the food you'd be consuming throughout the week. its not that these dudes just want "fast money", they money to live off of -- and no one is providing them w/opportunities to make that money except those in the drug game.

if you give these kids a choice between working their asses off for 75 a week, or moving them packs for 800 a week; what do you think their going to pick? like @Captain_Crunch said, these people need jobs. if they had a choice between working a legit job that paid the bills and gave them a lil extra money to play, do you think they'd be in the streets?

Is there a reason these kids can't get retail jobs on the weekend like most normal black kids their age ?

When I was that age most black boys worked in retail on evening and weekends (don't even lie that the stores don't hire because they are black) your local retail stores have young black kids working in them and you know it.

Is there a reason these boys can't just get a part time job and go to school ?

My freind lives in a very rough part of Baltimore but she works at Walmart on evenings and weekends while she goes to school in the day. Is there a reason these boys can't do that ? Or are supermarkets not hiring them either ?

 

[ManBearPig]

Props, this is exactly why I don't and won't support drill music. I'm on the southside and see the shorties all day everyday who live by this music. Every corner looks like a gbe/otf/#300/abcdefghijklm video shoot. It's disgusting

I was blasting that shyt down Kedzie got me feeling like that nikka doe. especially after work. Lol

 

[GzUp]

The child support hustle plays a major role. Especially since it's another way to lock brothas up. Even for the brothas who stay consistent with their payments, there are times when they'll still end up going to jail because the people at the office made a "mistake". Plus there are ridiculous stories like this one about the man who went to jail for overpaying child support:

http://abc13.com/archive/9401923/

Never knew u could go to jail for not paying child support

 

[marcuz]

Is there a reason these boys can't just get a part time job and go to school ?

i'd like to hear your take on why they arent doing these things first

 

[Theraflu]

Thats why I said just creating more jobs will not help.. If you provide male teens with jobs making only say $75 a week it wont be effective because they see others making more $$$. I never disagreed with you there.


That brings up the other problem though, even if you had jobs paying 75k a yr. are they willing to wait and go through the proper training for those jobs? Its the waiting part that makes alot of them give up. My nephew father is in prison and even he had to do some time( he's 18 ) i tried to step in so I went to him and asked him what do you like to do, he told me drawing. So i offered to train him in 3D animation and make some games together.. He straight blew me off..Cant even find the boy..Now if i offfered him $$$$ straight up, the outcome may have been different.

I don't know what alternate universe @marcuz is living in where these young black boys want jobs. I'm not gonna put my business out there but my younger nephew has been stabbed TWICE this year. I tried to help him write a resume and find him a job.

GUESS WHAT ?! He wasn't interested. Lets be real, these boys aren't gonna do what normal kids their age do and get a lil job at Mcdonalds or Footlocker and actually work hard to get a cheque at the end of the month.

Real success requires WORK that means working for years, getting promoted, working hard for money and a lot of these boys want instant gratification. A normal job that kids their age have won't buy them gucci belts and all the shyt they want so they hit the bricks instead.

These kids have large appetites, while I can chill with a shirt from Levis (and I earn 6 figures) my nephew wants designer everything, designer head to toe, a big car, he wants to 'ball'. Normal jobs accessible to children their age doesn't appeal to them because their chasing things it simply can't afford.

So the 'its cos they don't have jobs' excuse is garbage. They don't want them.

 

[tmonster]

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[ManBearPig]

i'd like to hear your take on why they arent doing these things first

No fukking gas station run by some middle eastern people gonna hire some black teenagers.

Very limited number of local jobs in the south side for teens.

 

[marcuz]

No fukking gas station run by some middle eastern people gonna hire a black teenagers.

Very limited local jobs in the south side for teens.

well @Theraflu doesn't even believe they want to earn money legitimately

you're from chitown, i'm from cali, and hes from overseas -- can you tell me which one of us are right?

 

[Theraflu]

No fukking gas station run by some middle eastern people gonna hire a black teenagers.

Very limited local jobs in the south side for teens.

Really ?

The retail stores in South Side Chicargo don't hire black teens ? So if I was to go to a mall or street with a lot of retail stores there I'd see no black teens working there ? Is this what you are saying ?