Carlos Santana: "America needs a serious dose of African music right now."

[K.O.N.Y]

That is exactly my point, before they had access to iinstruments, the slaves were still
making music but they were using techniques that originated where they came from
and it was just passed down as generations grew. We know it as gospel music but if you listen to a gospel song especially from the times before rap, you can clearly hear it sounds like some African music. Not the instruments but the way it is sung, especially the harmonies.

You really think people just forgot about everything they did beforethey came here?. Thats like saying you moved to India and forgot how to rap because you wasnt in NYC anymore. Just because you are in a different land doesnt mean your MIND forgets where it once was.

I know we were able to retain African elements in our music over the ages. But the lions share of influence in most of American music is directly linked to our new culture here and the experiences we had early on

 

[TooLazyToMakeUp1]

This is why I'm happy to of grown up in an African family...I grew up on this!

I found him by accident one night about 2 years ago while I was searching for old classic Japanese rare groove and funk

Through him, I found the funkees, Ebo Taylor, K. Frimpong, etc.

Good music all around

 

[Aizen]

One of the most intelligent posts I ever seen on the Coli. The worst thing the American CAC did to the black man in America was COMPLETELY strip yall of ANY link to any one defined peoples in Africa. African Americans have had to start a brand new culture from fukking scratch and grasping at straws for what may or may not be their actual ancestry from the continent.

This idea that all ties to Africa and the culture being stripped is taken too literally. I know too many families, my family being one of them that if anything, still have "it." Of course it was extremely hard to hold onto the culture but it still exists. And even if some families lost it, with today's information age and the ability to retrace one's steps, the real question for the African diaspora is, "Do you care for your roots/culture/music and are you even searching for it?" But those who are actively searching for and hold onto what they have are not "completely" stripped of their African identity. Those people might be the most African of all because they doggedly walk a narrow path with near religious devotion.

 

[bouncy]

I know we were able to retain African elements in our music over the ages. But the lions share of influence in most of American music is directly linked to our new culturbeinh e and the experiences we had early on

I agree, but the reason I keep saying it has African influence is because it does. That means it played a part in making the new stuff like you stated. I'm not saying its the sole reason for the music but its not being honest to say it has none. I agree though, for the most part we made our own shyt under some tough times and got our enemies wanting to do what we do. That is crazy shyt. Your enemies are supposed to hate everything you do not emulate you. We are some creative people. As much as people shyt on black Americans, the truth says we are a group that needs to be studied for the positive qualities we have. Going from nothing to having something that helped us and others while being under siege says something about us.

 

[Cuban Pete]

This idea that all ties to Africa and the culture being stripped is taken too literally. I know too many families, my family being one of them that if anything, still have "it." Of course it was extremely hard to hold onto the culture but it still exists. And even if some families lost it, with today's information age and the ability to retrace one's steps, the real question for the African diaspora is, "Do you care for your roots/culture/music and are you even searching for it?" But those who are actively searching for and hold onto what they have are not "completely" stripped of their African identity. Those people might be the most African of all because they doggedly walk a narrow path with near religious devotion.

Im talking on a large scale, Im sure there are some ppl like your fam who kept the ties but unless you a gulla or something like that most ppl are just black here, they cant name where they came from or the culture they identify with... I aint even black but I know exactly where my grandparents family come from in Africa (Nigeria), Ive done religious rites (Lukumi) and Ive spoken some of the language (Yoruba), and I eat food that comes from there regularly (fufu, goat)... most African American culture has an idea of Africa but the Anglo-American system of slavery was much harsher and more repressive than the Spanish-French caste systems that essentially allowed slaves to continue their culture thru Roman catholicism, where as American Whites protestants damn near completely broke the psyche of the black mind in America, thats why you have much more militant black folk here than in ANYWHERE else on Earth practically, yall the only ones that went thru slavery on that massive level, then segregation, and now sneak de facto segregation and sly racism.... I agree with u tho I admire the ones who are actively embracing their heritage even if they dont know where to begin the search for it

 

[Nemesis]

 

[Rusty Kuntz]

So I'm a grown man scared of my own friends in my own car?

I'll have them nikkas ridin' to Sabbath and then a Kidz Bop album just to flex my authority as the captain

 

[LevelUp]

carlos always been a dude that was conscious, if he was a rapper he might be Immortal technique

yoooooooooooooooooo they should do a song together

 

[YouMadd?]

Jazz was heavily influenced by european music still black american music. Same with the fiery preaching, that comes from batshyt english evangelicals, black people made it smoother and less offensive.

Aside from the instruments used, what influence did Europe have on Jazz's origins?

 

[intruder]

People keep mentioning Hip Hop/Rap as it's the only form of Black Americans music culture.(A mix of Caribbean, Funk and Disco music)


Naw breh, unlike other cultures. Black Americans has impressively evolved their music in a 100 years span.

-It started with Jazz

-From Jazz it evolved into Blues.

-From Blues it evolved into R&B

-From R&B it evolved into Rock n Roll and Soul

-Rock n Roll and Soul evolved into Funk/ Disco/Pop

-Funk/Disco/Pop evolved into today's music

All of these music genres was started by Black Americans.

All of these music genres still have Jazz influence to this day.

No other group of people music has evolved like the Black Americans.

Of course they are not. But black people in the U.S. have abandoned rock & roll to the point where if they hear a young black kid jamming to or even playing rock & roll they are called sellouts and "white".

This is why I love seeing The Roots Perform live. Their shows integrate hiphop, jazz, rock & roll and r&b.

 

[Poitier]

Of course they are not. But black people in the U.S. have abandoned rock & roll to the point where if they hear a young black kid jamming to or even playing rock & roll they are called sellouts and "white".

uhhh yeah this is not true and you might want to stop talking about AAs when you know nothing about us.

 

[Deluuxe]

This is why I'm happy to of grown up in an African family...I grew up on this!

nikka this shyt was sick as fukk

Sound like something Madlib sampled, Im gonna check these people out

 

[intruder]

That's because its a mix of cultures in the u.s.a and its been like to that from day one. The U.S.A.mind state is not the same as British, its a unique one based on the fact that this nation is very competitive, rich, and has a history of in house fighting. Again giving Europe the sole credit is wrong.

The island people are basically by themselves so there would be very little change but that doesn't negate the African presence in the U.S.A. If anything its a new form of African. One that is emulated ALL OVER THE WORLD. And it is known black Americans played a major part in its development. More credit should be given but it's there nonetheless. To just say it's a European thing is not giving credit where it's due and to me is a form of hating. You may not be doing it intentionally but it's still being done, when if you look at the history of this country blacks played a major part in its development and some of those things had an African connection.

As far as music and african connection look at the drum, look at the call and response, look at the harmonies, look at the syncopation and timing. I could go on and on but you don't see it because you have misread whites doing our music as it being theirs when it's the other way around or it is a mix of both.

Doggy, why are you acting like i said American music has ZERO african influence. I said the culture is more closely related to European than it is African. The same can be said for EVERY-SINGLE-COUNTRY in North, Central, South America and the Caribbean. Europeans stole the lands of the Natives and made it their own and forced their cultures upon us. Some cultures have managed to retain more of their cultures than others. You really think Africans were in African worshipping Jesus? How do you explain most of the countries in the American continents being Christian?

Good freakin God, I freakin hate discussing anything with you cats. Talking about me dissing black americans. How? Mofos in here talk all kinds of crap about other cultures and it's all fun and games and just discussions. If you're black from another culture and make one observation about american al the sudden it's considered a diss. WTF, G? WTF?

Tell em what can I say about you that will not be considered a diss.

 

[jadillac]

In all seriousness tho, Jay Z should verse up on some African art. I'm sure they have some dope paintings and things.

Buy some of tehir stuff, Shout them out on a track

 

[The_King_of_Everything]

Santana the god