Can somebody up the video of Ron Jaworski on First take?

[Stone]

Luck is in an NFL offense.

None a that gimmick ,spread, fakkit, pistol bullshyt.

He throwin the ball downfield and he doesn't have a strong running game.

Luck's only flaw is youth.

You watch what he does next year.

The question isn't whether Andrew Luck is a better player, it's whether he deserves rookie of the year. Seahawks and Skins play in much better divisions than he does and they play in the better conference. PLUS they have better stats.

Luck may very well go on to be even better than Manning was, but it doesn't change the fact that he has not had the better year this year. He does not deserve Offensive rookie of the year over RG3 or Wilson.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

The question isn't whether Andrew Luck is a better player, it's whether he deserves rookie of the year. Seahawks and Skins play in much better divisions than he does and they play in the better conference. PLUS they have better stats.

Luck may very well go on to be even better than Manning was, but it doesn't change the fact that he has not had the better year this year. He does not deserve Offensive rookie of the year over RG3 or Wilson.

You can make a case for all 3 of them..

Its tough..

I look past the rookie of the year though. That award doesn't really mean that much to me. Vince Young won it.

Long range I think Luck will be the better QB.

 

[calh45]

Apparently, that doesn't matter since RG3 and Wilson have less INT's. They're about even in TD's.

Luck is in an NFL offense.

None a that gimmick ,spread, fakkit pistol bullshyt.

He throwin the ball downfield he doesn't have a strong running game.

I think you're missing the point of WHY Luck has to do more. It's more out of cause and effect than more responsibility put on the guy. He HAS to throw more because his turnovers put them in a position where he MUST throw the ball. Arians is the same dude that brought Big Ben along and he gave Bettis TONS of carries regardless of how effective Bettis was because as far as planning against a defense a good running game is equal to a coach's commitment to running the ball. Arians is committed to running the ball, but getting behind puts them in a hole.

RG3's offense is unconventional, but in the context of it he's given more responsibility and decisions to make in it than Luck does in his offense. More than that it's the eye test of watching them play. Besides the turnovers, Luck throws into coverage a lot more than he should, like RIDICULOUS, I don't know why he threw that coverage. He did it at Stanford too, but he got away with it more often. RG3 and Russ don't do that much if at all. Russ and RG3 also throw the ball downfield just as much if not more than Luck. It's not like they're out there dilfering through the entire game throwing check downs and hoping someone gets 10 yards after the case. You can only do the "gimmick" offense excuse for so long. Both RG3 and Russ are more efficient QB's than luck.

 

[DeVanteSwing]

gimmick offense? it's a new league get with the times

 

[Joe Sixpack]

I think you're missing the point of WHY Luck has to do more. It's more out of cause and effect than more responsibility put on the guy. He HAS to throw more because his turnovers put them in a position where he MUST throw the ball. Arians is the same dude that brought Big Ben along and he gave Bettis TONS of carries regardless of how effective Bettis was because as far as planning against a defense a good running game is equal to a coach's commitment to running the ball. Arians is committed to running the ball, but getting behind puts them in a hole.

RG3's offense is unconventional, but in the context of it he's given more responsibility and decisions to make in it than Luck does in his offense. More than that it's the eye test of watching them play. Besides the turnovers, Luck throws into coverage a lot more than he should, like RIDICULOUS, I don't know why he threw that coverage. He did it at Stanford too, but he got away with it more often. RG3 and Russ don't do that much if at all. Russ and RG3 also throw the ball downfield just as much if not more than Luck. It's not like they're out there dilfering through the entire game throwing check downs and hoping someone gets 10 yards after the case. You can only do the "gimmick" offense excuse for so long. Both RG3 and Russ are more efficient QB's than luck.

Luck has had stretches of doin dumb shyt. He's a rookie tho and I give him more leeway cause he's not in some scaled down gimmick system gettin his hand held.

Luck can handle the whole playbook..

That will make him better in the long run.

 

[THE MACHINE]

Doesn't RG3 get some credit for that rushing offense...he has over 700 yards on his own and in the zone read, ends can't crash down because of the threat he is to keep it and hit the edge.

 

[Kenny West]

lol @ Luck getting to pass 3 times as many times and still having less total TDs than Wilson and RG3

And throwing more picks than both combined

And still getting a pass for it

 

[South Paw]

Luck is in an NFL offense.

None a that gimmick ,spread, fakkit, pistol bullshyt.

He throwin the ball downfield and he doesn't have a strong running game.

Luck's only flaw is youth.

You watch what he does next year.

When he doesnt have a cupcake schedule next year and struggles, what will your excuse be for him then?

And russell throws the ball downfield better... ypa is better...

 

[THE MACHINE]

lol @ Luck getting to pass 3 times as many times and still having less total TDs than Wilson and RG3

And throwing more picks than both combined

And still getting a pass for it

You can't tell these dudes anything man....playing the Chiefs, Titans twice, Jags twice, Jets, Dolphins and Bills plus 9 games in a dome. He's gonna be good, he's having a solid season but you can't ignore 26 turnovers.

 

[calh45]

Luck has had stretches of doin dumb shyt. He's a rookie tho and I give him more leeway cause he's not in some scaled down gimmick system gettin his hand held.

Luck can handle the whole playbook..

That will make him better in the long run.

What makes you think they're scaling back for RG3 or Russ? Because they run the read option every now and then? I don't understand where you're getting this information from. Because Luck has more attempts? Because it's a traditional offense?

I'm pretty sure I remember reading they did give RG3 the entire playbook PLUS they added in extra components from his college offense. They catered to his passing ability and running ability like a good coach is supposed to do. Actually, now they're focused on his passing because they don't want him running.

Russ started out terribly. He played like shyt, but along the way he learned from his mistakes and has the highest passer rating in the league.

Luck has been a turnover machine since damn near day 1 and that hasn't changed throughout the season.

I'm trying to figure out how you discredit their QB skills with this "full playbook" claim.

RG3's offense is infinitely more complex than Luck's BY A LOT. Not even in the same hemisphere. Russ runs an offense that's almost as traditional as Luck's he doesn't run read/option. He runs when the defense gives him the opportunity to take off which is a better decision than throwing into a crowd.

 

[FTBS]

RG3 and Wilson are playin well in scaled down spread option offenses. Both have strong running games at that.

They have to made to feel nice and comfy gettin their hand held crossin the street.

Luck is asked to do way more. He's throwin the ball down the field. He's throwin picks but he will be better off in the long run for it.

Luck is better then them both of them. I don't care what any a you say.

Clearly because you didnt' even address what I said.

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

Peyton threw shyt ton of picks, look how it turned out.......


Luck

 

[MikeBrownsJob]

In short these luck is better and will be better based on nothing more than my beliefs . Not play on the field or stats just blind faith.

The complexion of protection. A brother got to throw 35 tds and no interceptions to be considered better than a qb who has 20tds and 18 interceptions.

Let Tim Tebow be half the passer RG3 or Russ is and he'd be "revolutionizing the sport"

Lol at @Amare's Right Hook

More like look how Matt Stafford has turned out. Average and regressing.

 

[jetflyinglimousineriding]

If Luck was a 3rd round pick drafted by the Coltswith the same numbers he has now rather than the #1 pick, I don't think a lot of people would legitimately be arguing for him to win it over the other two. Part of it for people are the high expectations that they made for him want him to win it. The award doesn't mean it will be a predicator to which QB will have the better career. So if Luck doesn't win it (which imo he shouldn't) or hasn't put up the numbers as the other two have, it doesn't mean he won't be a top QB for years to come

 

[ecks12]

Luck also has the best WR out of any of those 3 teams.

With all the excuses for Luck, nobody ever brings this up.