Can pedophiles use the "born this way" argument?

[NoMayo15]

These dudes are attacking an argument thats not even being made. When was "born this way" the end all be all stance for pro gay arguments? Stop listening to lady gaga.

This. This whole thread is a misframing of these arguments. No one says that since a person is born with certain likes/desires, therefore that thought is automatically 'okay'. Some people view one attraction as okay and another not because, again, consent. The "born this way" argument is a counter to the notion that an individual chooses what he/she likes.

Besides, what difference does it make? I'm sure I've had some thoughts about the Kardashian sisters that many people would view as sick. We don't have thought crime legislation. Thoughts about illegal actions may warrant some type of counseling though.

So, you can continue thinking homosexuality is sick ... no one cares. But at least understand the difference for why people feel that homosexuality ought to be thought of differently than pedophilia/beastality/etc.

 

[Blackking]

This. This whole thread is a misframing of these arguments. No one says that since a person is born with certain likes/desires, therefore that thought is automatically 'okay'. Some people view one attraction as okay and another not because, again, consent. The "born this way" argument is a counter to the notion that an individual chooses what he/she likes.

Besides, what difference does it make? I'm sure I've had some thoughts about the Kardashian sisters that many people would view as sick. We don't have thought crime legislation. Thoughts about illegal actions may warrant some type of counseling though.

So, you can continue thinking homosexuality is sick ... no one cares. But at least understand the difference for why people feel that homosexuality ought to be thought of differently than pedophilia/beastality/etc.

If someone writes about his dolphin desires.... no body would hire him because of his thoughts. Action or no action.

People don't view one attraction ok and other not ok because of consent.... there used to be a ton of 16 year queens that wanted the dikk when i worked w youth.

If I was a pedi -that consent wouldn't have mattered. When I was 13 I know fully that I wanted coochie... Some people would think that me wanting dikk around that same age would warrant counseling due to the fact that it isn't natural to our species and the fact that it's just as much of a mental disorder as all those other defects (according to u guys).

 

[Type Username Here]

there used to be a ton of 16 year queens that wanted the dikk when i worked w youth.

You can't make this up folks.

 

[Blackking]

You can't make this up folks.

lol, naw u can't make it up.

I hope u understand my point... not every law is solely based on consent.

 

[Type Username Here]

lol, naw u can't make it up.

I hope u understand my point... not every law is solely based on consent.

It does matter. A lot of laws are about consent since laws are mainly rules that govern social behavior between individuals.

Society dictates what age a person possesses the mind to make a legal choice. Obviously this isn't some magical objective age, and it is not the same age for everything and everywhere. While I think it is flawed, I still think such a thing needs to exist. Exactly why in the 8 year kid thread I'm against what the parents/doctors are doing. That kid does not possess the mind to truly consent to something like that in my view.

 

[NoMayo15]

If someone writes about his dolphin desires.... no body would hire him because of his thoughts. Action or no action.

Not sure if this is true. Are you saying no outspoken zoophiles have jobs? What job asks about sexual orientation at the interview anyway??? Is such a thing even legal?

People don't view one attraction ok and other not ok because of consent.... there used to be a ton of 16 year queens that wanted the dikk when i worked w youth.

If I was a pedi -that consent wouldn't have mattered.

Don't really understand what you're saying here. So why do you think people differentiate and are okay with homosexuality, but aren't with say pedophilia?

Some people would think that me wanting dikk around that same age would warrant counseling due to the fact that it isn't natural to our species and the fact that it's just as much of a mental disorder as all those other defects (according to u guys).

Well, that would be a dumb argument since, our species does a lot of things that isn't "natural" (depending on however the hell you wanna define a term that loaded) ... So for that matter, since humans participate in homosexuality, and humans are a part of nature, homosexuality is, by definition something that occurs in nature, or natural.

And besides, the question isn't whether or not something should be classified as a mental disorder or not. That's irrelevant. The question is how should we treat, or react to individuals who wish to have sexual relations with members of the same sex. Are there real, tangible, detrimental consequences to such behavior, and are any parties involved in any type of danger as a result. I think most people are less okay with pedophilia than homosexuality because most people feel that an underaged person does not have the mental maturity to make clear decisions about sex.

 

[NZA]

If a man said he'd always been sexually attracted to children, how is that argument any different from the homosexual "born this way" argument? This is without any action on that attraction taking place.

Why is the pedophile called "sick" but the homosexual isn't?

I repeat, this is without any action taken place.

So does he have a mental condition, sick or "born this way"?

Explain it to me. Don't bring the "two consenting adults" argument because i'm talking about "born this way" sexual attraction.

how is that any different from someone saying they were born straight?

how can i tell someone they were not born a particular way? what evidence can i gather to the contrary?

 

[Spoonz]

Pedophilies may have been born this way but they are causing harm to others. That's why they can't use the arguement.
2 consenting adults fukking ain't hurting nobody.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I don't think they should be permitted to mess with children. But I do think societies approach to these type of people should be different.

People should be more proactive in helping pedophiles deal with their attractions in a constructive manner, instead of condemning them as monsters.

 

[Blackking]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precedent

 

[Dooby]

Because, being attracted to a child involves some form of being attracted to naivety and the ability to exploit those weaker/younger/more than likely less experienced.

That's a perversion in itself.

Even as a friend/regular person, if you are known for hanging out with weaker individuals and those that you can manipulate, people will feel some kind of way about you. Add actual sexual attraction and make it kids, and damn right you're disgusting.

If you can't understand that, you are probably warped yourself.

That logic is absolute shyt.

 

[Dooby]

Coli logic:

Hates it when people compare gay rights to black rights
Loves to compare homosexuality to bestiality and pedophilia

Higher Learning, y'all.

Probably because it's comparable you fukkin' lackey.

Higher Learning.

That's all you can say? Yeah you got checked real quick, didn't you. All you can do is post a gif, a passive aggressive statement and a smiley.

Higher Learning.

 

[Dooby]

Gays wouldn't compare their struggle to the holocaust? You do know that the holocaust targeted gays, right? Jews weren't the only people thrown in camps. Gays, Jehovah's Witnesses, Roma/gypsies and disabled people were forced into them as well. Gay people were as much victims of the holocaust as Jews.

Gays also face economic discrimination, job discrimination, housing discrimination, public violence and beating, medical experiments, unequal treatment under the law, and the gay equivalent of whitewashing history. No, gay history is not slavery, but to pretend there's nothing in common at all between modern gays and modern Black folks' struggles is pure dishonesty.

Regardless, what makes something a disorder is that it harms the individual who has it, others around that individual, or both. There's no reason for something to be labeled a disorder if it doesn't harm anyone, no matter how statistically abnormal it is. Homosexuality doesn't harm anyone. Pedophilia harms children.

"Gays also face economic discrimination, job discrimination, housing discrimination, public violence and beating, medical experiments, unequal treatment under the law, and the gay equivalent of whitewashing history."

But yet...homosexuality doesn't harm the individual.

 

[alybaba]

"Gays also face economic discrimination, job discrimination, housing discrimination, public violence and beating, medical experiments, unequal treatment under the law, and the gay equivalent of whitewashing history."

But yet...homosexuality doesn't harm the individual.

How is homosexuality harming the individual? It's society's views and treatment of homosexuals that's harming the homosexual individual and community.

 

[The Real]

"Gays also face economic discrimination, job discrimination, housing discrimination, public violence and beating, medical experiments, unequal treatment under the law, and the gay equivalent of whitewashing history."

But yet...homosexuality doesn't harm the individual.

Homosexuality doesn't cause discrimination any more than a skin color does. Discrimination comes from particular views other people have about them. If you take the people who hate them out of the picture, the problem disappears, just like if you remove racists from the picture, the problem of anti-Black discrimination disappears.