Can i get a quick refresher on why TLR is MAGA all of a sudden?

[newworldafro]

2019 Wakeup Call


What OP calls pro-Trump is folks no longer bowing down to the DNC Cult like sheeple/zombies/robots.

Instead folks are taking the time to listen to counter/alternative POVs and then having a more nuanced view on issues.

Just like when they keep spouting Russian bots are for reparations or ADOS, people see through that bullshiit. They know that that the same finesse was used on Republicans and Trump and they are scratching their heads like ...how can a Russian bot be both for MAGA country in 2016 and pro-ADOS Reparations Movement in 2019?....

..

it's not adding up OP.

 

[Wild self]

In other words:

Nah, I'll go to my laptop and drive sense to these pro Trump supporters. Cant be pro Trump and pro black. You really like CACs feeling empowered by that chump.

 

[Everythingg]

It says specifically in the portion that you quoted, that he reversed Obama's initiative to close private federal prisons.

Yes. And Im just asking you to bring exactly what that is to the table. Stop speaking in general and bring something concrete to the table we can look at. Im not saying you're wrong, Im asking you to bring exactly what you're referring to.

The investigations you asked about, were not meant to convict anybody, only JUDGES can do that.

Oh so you're happy with them giving you what you want to hear? Them saying police departments have misconduct practices is akin to saying "slavery is bad!" Well of course thats the case. Whats going to change about it is whats important. Which leads to this:

The investigations were meant to identify systematic misconduct in police departments that would require court-appointment monitors to correct, and release their findings publicly. For example, they found systematic misconduct in the Ferguson PD (Mike Brown), Chicago PD, Baltimore PD, San Fransico PD, etc. From that, reform agreements were made. There were about 10-15 other police departments that were due to have public reports released, court-appointed monitors, and reform agreements made. Trump nixed all of that and also nixed the reform agreements that were already made.

You dont know how "insert juelz rambling gif" this is. Okay so you're fine with the courts, that convict black men disproportionately than any other group, being the ones put in charge with monitoring SYSTEMATIC misconduct? Do these "reform agreements" consist of anything concrete or are you just speaking on generalities again to cover up how you really dont have anything substantial? Honest question brehette

 

[Everythingg]

It's not just about how much I make, it's also about how much I can deduct being a homeowner.

Even though you want to specifically address changes that affect black people I think this is still worth mentioning since this change probably affects millions of black homeowners who are getting a direct hit in their wallets come April 15th.

And thats 100% fair. But nikkas have been on that Trump is the boogeyman wave before this tax season. So that cant be the reason but yes, its definitely worth mentioning..

 

[Everythingg]

Nah, I'll go to my laptop and drive sense to these pro Trump supporters. Cant be pro Trump and pro black. You really like CACs feeling empowered by that chump.

Despite what you're led to believe, life isnt black and white. There are colors in between. Just because I dont treat Trump like the boogeyman, doesnt mean Im pro trump. I treat with him with the same contempt and distrust that I do all other presidents. And I treat him like that based on the precedent other presidents have set...

Its time for black people to grow up and see things for what they are. No politician is here to save you.. Stop looking to them to save you and start looking to yourselves/your own community...

 

[ELESDEE616]

Yes when I ask for something specific and you bring a 500 line list of generalities, that is muddying it up which is why I asked to start one by one. Did you want to pick up there or rather you me go along with your emotions?

Why dont you pick one from the long list he provided you and argue against it you fat fakkit? Are you that lazy?

 

[Everythingg]

Why dont you pick one from the long list he provided you and argue against it you fat fakkit? Are you that lazy?

One by one. You try to bring long lists to muddy u things... What "criminal justice initiatives" did he roll back specifically?

And did Obama's "investigations" ever convict anyone of wrongdoing? Im asking these things honestly because I think so lowly of yalls thinking process that I dont expect yal to be able to quantify the majority of your beliefs...

 

[8====D]

Just going to reiterate what's already been said. . .

This site has took a turn. . .for the worse!

*turns arounds & walks back to JBO*

 

[Booker T Garvey]

2019 Wakeup Call


What OP calls pro-Trump is folks no longer bowing down to the DNC Cult like sheeple/zombies/robots.

Instead folks are taking the time to listen to counter/alternative POVs and then having a more nuanced view on issues.

Just like when they keep spouting Russian bots are for reparations or ADOS, people see through that bullshiit. They know that that the same finesse was used on Republucans and Trump and they are scratching their heads like ...how can a Russian bot be both for MAGA country in 2016 and pro-ADOS Reparations Movement in 2019?....

..

it's not adding up OP.

my post history speaks for itself since day one; the answer to the black community's problems have always been self sufficiency (nationalist and conservative ideology) this is why both of those ideologies had to GO.

the worst mistake we ever made as a people was aligning ourselves with liberalism and democrats - we're the only people indoctrinated into a political belief from birth to death like a religion.

then we turn around and wonder why we're so fukked up....these dudes better get somewhere and free themselves.

 

[OG Talk]

Why shouldn't the govt invest in the health of their country's youth? .

Are you against organizations like CPS as well?

Look man I’m not AGAINST anything. I’m just saying as Black people a lot of things that are presented to us as these huge obstacles are actually things that have solutions that are in our control.

Do you have kids? If so who do you feel is ultimately responsible for what goes into their body?

 

[ELESDEE616]

You lazy fakkit. How US Attorney General Jeff Sessions Has Rolled Back Obama-era Policies

Let me guess because it doesn't say "this policy is specifically designed to fukk black people" it won't effect us in droves?


Why dont you explain to us how Trump destroying the environment doesn't effect Black people specifically.

You are a lunatic

 

[newworldafro]

my post history speaks for itself since day one; the answer to the black community's problems have always been self sufficiency (nationalist and conservative ideology) this is why both of those ideologies had to GO.

the worst mistake we ever made as a people was aligning ourselves with liberalism and democrats - we're the only people indoctrinated into a political belief from birth to death like a religion.

then we turn around and wonder why we're so fukked up....these dudes better get somewhere and free themselves.

This why I'm registered Independent.
DNC has some things I like, somethings I don't.
RNC has somethings I like, some things I don't.

My politics is a la carte, what I don't like I put back.

It's a gift and a curse, because it's impossible to find that perfect candidate when you can take ideas from across the political spectrum, but at least I'm not beholden to one party, and have to ignore the shiit I disagree with in that party.

 

[dj-method-x]

Yes. And Im just asking you to bring exactly what that is to the table. Stop speaking in general and bring something concrete to the table we can look at. Im not saying you're wrong, Im asking you to bring exactly what you're referring to.



Oh so you're happy with them giving you what you want to hear? Them saying police departments have misconduct practices is akin to saying "slavery is bad!" Well of course thats the case. Whats going to change about it is whats important. Which leads to this:



You dont know how "insert juelz rambling gif" this is. Okay so you're fine with the courts, that convict black men disproportionately than any other group, being the ones put in charge with monitoring SYSTEMATIC misconduct? Do these "reform agreements" consist of anything concrete or are you just speaking on generalities again to cover up how you really dont have anything substantial? Honest question brehette

I don't know if you're not reading what I'm writing or what. In the portion that you quoted in your original response to me, it says that trump rolled back Obama's initiative to CLOSE FEDERAL PRIVATE PRISONS. CLOSE FEDERAL PRIVATE PRISONS. CLOSE FEDERAL PRIVATE PRISONS.

Do you see it now? lol

The reform agreements where ENFORCEABLE by the courts to remedy patterns of misconduct. Included in the agreements are things like body cameras (this is the reasons why body cameras are not common place), reorienting its use-of-force policies to emphasize deescalation and avoid force, bias-awareness training, implementation of an accountability system. Police must also ensure that stop, search and arrest practices do not discriminate on the basis of race or other factors protected under law. Further, the agreements also require the cities to change their municipal code, including sections that impose prison time for failure to pay certain fines.

Failure to comply would result in lawsuits by the federal government, removal of federal funds, among other things. Ferguson PD for example initially balked at this agreement, trying to negotiate for increased police pay, and additional time to comply. The justice department then SUED them, and Ferguson PD responded by immediately agreeing to comply to the agreement without modifications.

Here's the full 110 page reform agreement of Ferguson PD for your reference: https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/5970311/Ferguson_draft_consent_decree.0.pdf

 

[dj-method-x]

Boys get real quiet when you pull out those receipts on they ass

 

[Everythingg]

I don't know if you're not reading what I'm writing or what. In the portion that you quoted in your original response to me, it says that trump rolled back Obama's initiative to CLOSE FEDERAL PRIVATE PRISONS. CLOSE FEDERAL PRIVATE PRISONS. CLOSE FEDERAL PRIVATE PRISONS.

Do you see it now? lol

All I asked was for you to bring something that documents this.. Obama had an initiative to close federal prisons. Great. Now bring whatever it is that you've seen that documents this so we can go from there. If I said the existence of prisons in America makes slavery legal thats just saying something. Now if I brought the 13th (or 14th) amendment that says that, thats bringing something concrete to the table that everyone can look at and dissect. Im asking you to do something similar with this initiative you refer to. Not saying it doesnt exist, but I cant look at something that isnt there. And yes I can google it, but in a discussion its your responsibility to support your side and vice versa...

The reform agreements where ENFORCEABLE by the courts to remedy patterns of misconduct. Included in the agreements are things like body cameras (this is the reasons why body cameras are not common place), reorienting its use-of-force policies to emphasize deescalation and avoid force, bias-awareness training, implementation of an accountability system. Police must also ensure that stop, search and arrest practices do not discriminate on the basis of race or other factors protected under law. Further, the agreements also require the cities to change their municipal code, including sections that impose prison time for failure to pay certain fines.

So Trump went back on body cameras is what you're saying? The rest sounds like lip service. Such as "Police must also ensure that stop search and arrest practices do not discriminate on the basis of race" would be according to who? The court system who for the last 400 years has treated black men disproportionately in comparison to other groups?

Failure to comply would result in lawsuits by the federal government, removal of federal funds, among other things. Ferguson PD for example initially balked at this agreement, trying to negotiate for increased police pay, and additional time to comply. The justice department then SUED them, and Ferguson PD responded by immediately agreeing to comply to the agreement without modifications.

Here's the full 110 page reform agreement of Ferguson PD for your reference: https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/5970311/Ferguson_draft_consent_decree.0.pdf

The problem is that you and they want me to believe that the same court that for hundreds of years upheld systematic racism, is now going to be the same court that decides what is and what isnt systematic racist misconduct when it comes to police agencies.. They found misconduct within Ferguson PD. Cool. Who was fired? Who was charged? Did anything come from that other than words?