Can any Christian / Jew explain this?

[Gloxina]

I dont see the problem. Lets look at it from a modern day perspective

When an NBA athlete gets paid, we see thousands of groupies flock because of his status, clout, influence. Out of those women, how many would you describe as righteous women?

Look at whats going on right now with Zion Williamson...messing with strippers and pornstars because it's pleasing to his eye. But those choices are destroying his life.



Do you agree with the advice Lavar gave to his kids? Because I think he was 100% correct

That doesn’t make women inherently bad. These dudes attracted bad women and didn’t have the wisdom and wherewithal to not give into their carnal desires.

Again- these rich men could walk into any small town church, library, college campus, volunteer spot, etc and find a plethora of women who are well raised, have good values, etc. Meet women, take their time, get to know their character, etc before taking the plunge.

They could even find a woman with her own passions and career. George Clooney is a movie star who married a top attorney. Zuckerberg is with his college sweetheart who is a damn doctor, no? Spike Lee’s wife is an attorney as well, correct?

So why did these men get it right and the sports players you mentioned are dealing with all this drama? All the blame is on the female sex, or do men need to acknowledge the fact that many of them are drawn to the wrong things?

 

[JoelB]

That doesn’t make women inherently bad. These dudes attracted bad women and didn’t have the wisdom and wherewithal to not give into their carnal desires.

Again- these rich men could walk into any small town church, library, college campus, volunteer spot, etc and find a plethora of women who are well raised, have good values, etc. Meet women, take their time, get to know their character, etc before taking the plunge.

They could even find a woman with her own passions and career. George Clooney is a movie star who married a top attorney. Zuckerberg is with his college sweetheart who is a damn doctor, no? Spike Lee’s wife is an attorney as well, correct?

So why did these men get it right and the sports players you mentioned are dealing with all this drama? All the blame is on the female sex, or do men need to acknowledge the fact that many of them are drawn to the wrong things?

read the post I made above yours. Accountability is on the man to choose wisely. The examples you gave, especially in our community are rare.

 

[JoelB]

who made Qohelet a judge of you or I?

who is he? he speaks in third person and insinuates God is not near. As I said before I dont know him or his "wisdom"

a great deal of the bible is the word of man as a testimony of him seeking/beseeching/prophecying about God as I've said before

thats why I say protestants "Sola scriptura" has a fundamental issue. To your Medu Neter guy: the Oral Torah IS just as important as the written Torah if not moreso.

If the scripture themselves are inherently unreliable, on which foundation should man place his faith in. I think I asked you this question in the beginning.

Does MMS live his life according to the understanding of MMS? Do you determine what is right and wrong?

 

[MMS]

That doesn’t make women inherently bad. These dudes attracted bad women and didn’t have the wisdom and wherewithal to not give into their carnal desires.

Again- these rich men could walk into any small town church, library, college campus, volunteer spot, etc and find a plethora of women who are well raised, have good values, etc. Meet women, take their time, get to know their character, etc before taking the plunge.

They could even find a woman with her own passions and career. George Clooney is a movie star who married a top attorney. Zuckerberg is with his college sweetheart who is a damn doctor, no? Spike Lee’s wife is an attorney as well, correct?

So why did these men get it right and the sports players you mentioned are dealing with all this drama? All the blame is on the female sex, or do men need to acknowledge the fact that many of them are drawn to the wrong things?

this is why I say the judgments that uphold modern society are entrenched in such a way thats hard to discern. Knowledge worship is its own sickness

remember that name @JoelB Nyusersatet. Why is womans water so powerful?

why does it make the world so stable?

Genesis 8:1

1 And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters assuaged;

in hebrew as @Koichos has said in other threads the ark means either "Box" or "Word"

Genesis 9:13

13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.

Shin (letter) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Phoenician
Hebrew	ש

the LORDs bow can shake the heavens and the earth

We are living in a world of illusion

Yet a thing can be nothing and something through description alone :jbhmm: and a name is almost certainly a thing Matthew 15:21-28 We are living in a world of illusion Mercy [/SPOILER] 1 whole is (0, Infinite) parts, and each part contains the 1 whole The 1 whole is in each (0, Infinite)...

www.thecoli.com

 

[JoelB]

@Gloxina @MMS

In the garden, who do you think was more at fault? Adam or Eve and why (just a side question out of curiosity)

 

[MMS]

If the scripture themselves are inherently unreliable, on which foundation should man place his faith in. I think I asked you this question in the beginning.

Does MMS live his life according to the understanding of MMS? Do you determine what is right and wrong?

why do you conveniently forget the gospels and the law of moses when you post? scripture is good for wisdom and inspired of God

but not all of it is inherently divine. This shouldnt be a confusing idea imo

 

[MMS]

@Gloxina @MMS

In the garden, who do you think was more at fault? Adam or Eve and why (just a side question out of curiosity)

technically neither were at fault

"who told thee that thou wast naked?"

 

[JoelB]

why do you conveniently forget the gospels and the law of moses when you post? scripture is good for wisdom and inspired of God

but not all of it is inherently divine. This shouldnt be a confusing idea imo

How do I forget them? I've posted from Exodus, Deut, Daniel, Esdras, Mathew, Timothy, etc

 

[MMS]

How do I forget them? I've posted from Exodus, Deut, Daniel, Esdras, Mathew, Timothy, etc

then why ask me a redundant question: how do i decide right and wrong etc?

 

[JoelB]

this is why I say the judgments that uphold modern society are entrenched in such a way thats hard to discern. Knowledge worship is its own sickness

remember that name @JoelB Nyusersatet. Why is womans water so powerful?

why does it make the world so stable?

Genesis 8:1


in hebrew as @Koichos the ark means either "Box" or "Word"

Genesis 9:13

Shin (letter) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

the LORDs bow can shake the heavens and the earth

We are living in a world of illusion

Yet a thing can be nothing and something through description alone :jbhmm: and a name is almost certainly a thing Matthew 15:21-28 We are living in a world of illusion Mercy [/SPOILER] 1 whole is (0, Infinite) parts, and each part contains the 1 whole The 1 whole is in each (0, Infinite)...

www.thecoli.com

The book of Psalms tells me otherwise

Psalm 19:7-9​

7 The law of the Lord is perfect, [a]converting the soul;
The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;
8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart;
The commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes;
9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever;
The judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.

 

[DoubleClutch]

yes and no

egyptians are egyptians. Jews by their names are followers of JUDAH (pbuh). Thats why today you see only their tribe and Benjamin

Paul (pbuh) received a revelation of Jesus by Jesus (pbuh) after he had been persecuting christians whereas Muhammad (pbuh) received the "revealed" Quran from Gabriel an Angel of Allah.

Surah Al-Baqarah - 97 - Quran.com

Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Whoever is an enemy of Gabriel should know that he revealed this ˹Quran˺ to your heart by Allah’s Will, confirming what came before...

quran.com

as always make sure you hit play

you know its wild how you and I have vastly different approaches with the Quran keep trying to antagonize Ishmael brehs.

Genesis 16:11-13

But Aren’t Ishmael brehs Egyptians?

And Paul isn’t the founder of Christianity and he isn’t considered a prophet. His word isn’t considered scripture “from God” by Christians or Muslims

Him and Muhammad were both “changed” by personal visions which sent them on a mission to evangelize.

But what makes Paul’s “revelation” any different than Muhammad’s?

Or Muhammad any more special than Paul?
Especially considering Jesus > Gabriel

I’m just seeing your perspective (not aimed at Muslims) with these questions because you think differently.

 

[JoelB]

then why ask me a redundant question: how do i decide right and wrong etc?

bc I noticed a trend of you calling a particular text unreliable when you dont personally agree with it. It's hard to engage in a dialogue when at any point in time you can be like "I dont agree with that author/book/text. Its unreliable"

Im trying to find a common ground on what is considered inspired so I can stay there with you. Thats it brehda

 

[JoelB]

technically neither were at fault

"who told thee that thou wast naked?"

Christ himself was tempted was he not?

If someone tempts you to disobey a direct commandment of TMH...it's up to you to engage or not to engage.

 

[MMS]

But Aren’t Ishmael brehs Egyptians?

And Paul isn’t the founder of Christianity and he isn’t considered a prophet. His word isn’t considered scripture “from God” by Christians or Muslims

Him and Muhammad were both “changed” by personal visions which sent them on a mission to evangelize.

But what makes Paul’s “revelation” any different than Muhammad’s?

Or Muhammad any more special than Paul?
Especially considering Jesus > Gabriel

I’m just seeing your perspective (not aimed at Muslims) with these questions because you think differently.

if that was the case the epistles would not be recited in churches across the world

Paul and other apostles were the ones who wrote down the Gospels...not necessarily Jesus. So yes Paul is the spreader of Christianity but not necessarily its origin. Pentecost is its origin with Peter and James the brother of Jesus.

Ishmael technically has strong association with Joktan...

Joktan - Wikipedia

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The book of Psalms tells me otherwise

Psalm 19:7-9​

7 The law of the Lord is perfect, [a]converting the soul;
The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;
8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart;
The commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes;
9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever;
The judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.

how is this an otherwise passage?

Moses said not to add to his scriptures and David possessed those very same scriptures when he sung the Psalms with his harp and had them recorded.

 

[MMS]

bc I noticed a trend of you calling a particular text unreliable when you dont personally agree with it. It's hard to engage in a dialogue when at any point in time you can be like "I dont agree with that author/book/text. Its unreliable"

Im trying to find a common ground on what is considered inspired so I can stay there with you. Thats it brehda

like I said earlier, Sola scriptura is a protestant problem. The assumption that the entirety of the bible is not divine is a difficult idea to consider

Unless you speak to some holy fathers/rabbis its not going to make sense right away to you.

Thats why I dont like cherry picking the bible but reading full chapters as the context gets messed up if you quote just a few lines all the time.