Can any Christian / Jew explain this?

[JoelB]

well remember when i mentioned pharaohs butler/baker

metaphysically its on some peter pan eating invisible food


in theory...all animals/plant life were created with speech... why would holy fathers believe they can send food to someone...with just words?

Now mind you this passage is not in the KJV and is considered apocrypha but its the first thing I thought of

Daniel 14:1-21

followed the footprints like MGS

The apocrypha is slept on, I dont care what nobody says. 1&2 Esdras, Ecclesiasticus, 1&2 Macabees (Judas was gangsta)

 

[DoubleClutch]

why wouldnt I?

Galatians 3:1


Galatians 3:26-29

Remember this is a GREEK text. So "Christ Jesus" meant a very different thing to them than what you think. These are churches that were recently converted to even learning the hebrew scriptures and the message of in the gospels.

this is why I keep saying to folks to reconsider how much you lean on the epistles...remember Paul was sent TO the Gentiles to convert them and ended up becoming lax on them despite sound wisdom in the face of CURRENT jews of his era.

It doesnt mean ALL jews act in the way the gospels/epistles describe them. This is exactly why even to this day christians are poor evangelizers amongst Jews

@Koichos

So are Egyptians “Jews” or “Gentiles”

And Paul was sent to the Gentiles to convert them the same way like Muhammad thought he was sent to the “Arabs”

Agree?

 

[MMS]

followed the footprints like MGS

The apocrypha is slept on, I dont care what nobody says. 1&2 Esdras, Ecclesiasticus, 1&2 Macabees (Judas was gangsta)

im with you on all of it except ecclesiastes

an "assembly" (qohelet) surnames themself a king of israel on the throne of david then tells everyone that everything is pointless and that you should rejoice in your labors

it smells of Cain.

 

[JoelB]

im with you on all of it except ecclesiastes

an "assembly" (qohelet) surnames themself a king of israel on the throne of david then tells everyone that everything is pointless and that you should rejoice in your labors

it smells of Cain.

wait are you referring to Ecclesiastes or Ecclesiasticus aka Sirach?

 

[MMS]

So are Egyptians “Jews” or “Gentiles”

And Paul was sent to the Gentiles to convert them the same way like Muhammad thought he was sent to the “Arabs”

Agree?

yes and no

egyptians are egyptians. Jews by their names are followers of JUDAH (pbuh). Thats why today you see only their tribe and Benjamin

Paul (pbuh) received a revelation of Jesus by Jesus (pbuh) after he had been persecuting christians whereas Muhammad (pbuh) received the "revealed" Quran from Gabriel an Angel of Allah.

Surah Al-Baqarah - 97 - Quran.com

Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Whoever is an enemy of Gabriel should know that he revealed this ˹Quran˺ to your heart by Allah’s Will, confirming what came before...

quran.com

as always make sure you hit play

you know its wild how you and I have vastly different approaches with the Quran keep trying to antagonize Ishmael brehs.

Genesis 16:11-13

11 And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the Lord hath heard thy affliction.

12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

13 And she called the name of the Lord that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?

 

[MMS]

wait are you referring to Ecclesiastes or Ecclesiasticus aka Sirach?

my bad i didnt even realize there was a separate book titled similarly you finally got me

in the orthodox study bible I have it is titled as Wisdom of Sirach only

 

[JoelB]

my bad i didnt even realize there was a separate book titled similarly you finally got me

in the orthodox study bible I have it is titled as Sirach only

yeah the wisdom books of the Apocrypha...wisdom & Sirach. I rarely refer to it by that name tho

but you dont mess with Ecclesiastes tho Thats top 3 books for me in the Bible. I get some people may not be a fan of the nihilistic tone but

It's a great warning for those that think they will find Joy in carnal things. Women, money, power...what does it ultimately give you? Nothing...

as the great poet Nasir Jones once said

But whats it all worth, cant take it when you under this earth
Rich men died and tried, but none of it worked
They just rob your grave, Id rather be alive and paid
Before my numbers called, historys made

 

[MMS]

yeah the wisdom books of the Apocrypha...wisdom & Sirach. I rarely refer to it by that name tho

but you dont mess with Ecclesiastes tho Thats top 3 books for me in the Bible. I get some people may not be a fan of the nihilistic tone but

It's a great warning for those that think they will find Joy in carnal things. Women, money, power...what does it ultimately give you? Nothing...

as the great poet Nasir Jones once said

But whats it all worth, cant take it when you under this earth
Rich men died and tried, but none of it worked
They just rob your grave, Id rather be alive and paid
Before my numbers called, historys made

yeah I dont mess with it

its wisdom is unclean to me, God never desired us to dislike women or not seek after them

its money/power that is corrupting. Women dont necessarily corrupt, our false ideas about them corrupt us. Women always show you what they are

@HarlemHottie @Gloxina @timeless would you agree with that sentiment?

it was said that Jacob's children pleased his wives so much that they sent their handmaidens to him to sire even more children

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/if-we-are-to-stand-in-gods-judgement-black-ppl-gotta-be-judged-graded-on-a-curve.976781/page-2#post-49421296

 

[JoelB]

yeah I dont mess with it

its wisdom is unclean to me, God never desired us to dislike women or not seek after them

its money/power that is corrupting. Women dont necessarily corrupt, our false ideas about them corrupt us. Women always show you what they are

@HarlemHottie @Gloxina @timeless would you agree with that sentiment?

it was said that Jacob's children pleased his wives so much that they sent their handmaidens to him to sire even more children

Thats not the message that I take. Proverbs tell us a good woman is hard to find and is more valuable than rubies which is facts. The opposite is also true

1 Kings 11:2
2 from the nations of whom the Lord had said to the children of Israel, “You shall not intermarry with them, nor they with you. Surely they will turn away your hearts after their gods.” Solomon clung to these in love.​

This touches the point I was making yesterday about who could enter the holy of holies. TMH wanted Israel to be a separate holy nation, but when you start bringing women of other nations, what inevitably happens?

1 Kings 11:4​

4 For it was so, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned his heart after other gods; and his heart was not [a]loyal to the Lord his God, as was the heart of his father David.

Anything or anybody that turns your desire away from the one true GOD is causing you to commit idolatry.

 

[JoelB]

1&2 Esdras touches on this too. Breh ripped his clothes off and begged for the people of Israel to stop following other gods...it lead to the destruction of the people physically and spiritually.

You cant serve multiple masters

 

[MMS]

Thats not the message that I take. Proverbs tell us a good woman is hard to find and is more valuable than rubies which is facts. The opposite is also true

1 Kings 11:2​

2 from the nations of whom the Lord had said to the children of Israel, “You shall not intermarry with them, nor they with you. Surely they will turn away your hearts after their gods.” Solomon clung to these in love.​

This touches the point I was making yesterday about who could enter the holy of holies. TMH wanted Israel to be a separate holy nation, but when you start bringing women of other nations, what inevitably happens?

1 Kings 11:4​

4 For it was so, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned his heart after other gods; and his heart was not [a]loyal to the Lord his God, as was the heart of his father David.

Anything or anybody that turns your desire away from the one true GOD is causing you to commit idolatry.

well this is the issue inherently with Psalms and Proverbs

the wisdom is there but the context isnt always there. And people erroneously try to "create" with it

IE Proverbs says a good woman is hard to find....but it has now made a permanent judgment that good women are fewer than "bad" women

now imagine if it said something along the lines of

A Bad woman is easy to find, and less valuable than rubies.

Would it create the same condition in your heart?

 

[JoelB]

well this is the issue inherently with Psalms and Proverbs

the wisdom is there but the context isnt always there. And people erroneously try to "create" with it

IE Proverbs says a good woman is hard to find....but it has now made a permanent judgment that good women are fewer than "bad" women

now imagine if it said something along the lines of

A Bad woman is easy to find, and less valuable than rubies.

Would it create the same condition in your heart?

I dont see the problem. Lets look at it from a modern day perspective

When an NBA athlete gets paid, we see thousands of groupies flock because of his status, clout, influence. Out of those women, how many would you describe as righteous women?

Look at whats going on right now with Zion Williamson...messing with strippers and pornstars because it's pleasing to his eye. But those choices are destroying his life.



Do you agree with the advice Lavar gave to his kids? Because I think he was 100% correct

 

[MMS]

I dont see the problem. Lets look at it from a modern day perspective

When an NBA athlete gets paid, we see thousands of groupies flock because of his status, clout, influence. Out of those women, how many would you describe as righteous women?

Look at whats going on right now with Zion Williamson...messing with strippers and pornstars because it's pleasing to his eye. But those choices are destroying his life.



Do you agree with the advice Lavar gave to his kids? Because I think he was 100% correct

well there is your problem! both statements imply a rock (rubies) is a good comparison tool for women and just like that Solomon is delivered unto Canaanite wives (Adah)

like I said, the assumption that the proverbs/psalms are infallible is why many Jews AND christians believe erroneous doctrines

they kindled fire that wasnt good but the knowledge was still saved because good came out of it not because it is inherently good

so to your NBA reference, the groupies think material wealth is what they are compared on so they seek after it

until society changes what is considered wealth women will seek after the same things generally. Furthermore what is a righteous woman? but a woman who follows God's laws and commandments?

 

[JoelB]

well there is your problem! both statements imply a material thing (rubies) is a good comparison tool for women and just like that Solomon is delivered unto Canaanite wives (Adah)

like I said, the assumption that the proverbs/psalms are infallible is why many Jews AND christians believe erroneous doctrines

they kindled fire that wasnt good but the knowledge was still saved because good came out of it not because it is inherently good

so to your NBA reference, the groupies think material wealth is what they are compared on so they seek after it

until society changes what is considered wealth women will seek after the same things generally. Furthermore what is a righteous woman? but a woman who follows God's laws and commandments?

breh the entire bible cant be problematic aside from the scriptures you personally like. We cant cherry pick based on our own personal feelings. That is why we have countless doctrines because everyone wants a feel good personalized theology. The modern Christian church is guilty the most of this, thats why they are full of shyt.

Ecclesiastes 7:28
28 Which yet my soul seeketh, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found.​

he's holding men accountable too. Men and woman left to their own devices are wicked bruh...look outside your window and tell me otherwise

 

[MMS]

breh the entire bible cant be problematic aside from the scriptures you personally like. We cant cherry pick based on our own personal feelings. That is why we have countless doctrines because everyone wants a feel good personalized theology. The modern Christian church is guilty the most of this, thats why they are full of shyt.

Ecclesiastes 7:28​

28 Which yet my soul seeketh, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found.​

he's holding men accountable too. Men and woman left to their own devices are wicked bruh...look outside your window and tell me otherwise

who made Qohelet a judge of you or I?

who is he? he speaks in third person and insinuates God is not near. As I said before I dont know him or his "wisdom"

a great deal of the bible is the word of man as a testimony of him seeking/beseeching/prophecying about God as I've said before

thats why I say protestants "Sola scriptura" has a fundamental issue. To your Medu Neter guy: the Oral Torah IS just as important as the written Torah if not moreso.