Can a case be made that DMX is better than Nas?

Is DMX a better rapper than Nas

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Yes there was. Nastradamus dropped in November 1999 and Stillmatic didn't drop until December 2001. Thats just over 2 full years between solo albums. And in that time, the only songs he released as singles were Nastradamus, You Owe Me, and Oochie Wally. None of those are considered good Nas songs. So in a two year span, he drops his worst album, with his lowest sales & airplay numbers since his debut album, and doesn't drop a solo project for 2 years after that.

Did the Nastradamus run sustain his relevance for that long? Did the QBs finest album do that? Did his verse on the Thank God I Found You remix do that? You tell me.

:what: All Nas albums are at least 2 years apart. And besides that, that was the norm back then, AT LEAST 2 years between albums. The only rappers dropping joints every year was Ice Cube and Jay Z (I'm sure there was probably a couple of others but they're the prominent ones I remember off top). I Am/Nastradamus was supposed to be a double album so the fact they released that within one year doesn't count.

Nas Illmatic 94-IWW 96-I Am 98
Redman Whut 92-Dare 94-Muddy 96-Docs 98
Bone Eternal 95-AOW 97 then I think BTNH is 2000
 

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Yes there was. Nastradamus dropped in November 1999 and Stillmatic didn't drop until December 2001. Thats just over 2 full years between solo albums. And in that time, the only songs he released as singles were Nastradamus, You Owe Me, and Oochie Wally. None of those are considered good Nas songs. So in a two year span, he drops his worst album, with his lowest sales & airplay numbers since his debut album, and doesn't drop a solo project for 2 years after that.

Did the Nastradamus run sustain his relevance for that long? Did the QBs finest album do that? Did his verse on the Thank God I Found You remix do that? You tell me.

"You Owe Me" wasn't a hit with purists, but it was still a hit nonetheless. Same goes for "Oochie Wally". In between albums Nas had songs on soundtracks, several guest features, and a compilation.
 

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:what: All Nas albums are at least 2 years apart. And besides that, that was the norm back then, AT LEAST 2 years between albums. The only rappers dropping joints every year was Ice Cube and Jay Z (I'm sure there was probably a couple of others but they're the prominent ones I remember off top). I Am/Nastradamus was supposed to be a double album so the fact they released that within one year doesn't count.

Nas Illmatic 94-IWW 96-I Am 98
Redman Whut 92-Dare 94-Muddy 96-Docs 98
Bone Eternal 95-AOW 97 then I think BTNH is 2000
First off, everything counts. Columbia was going to put out the leaked material from the original I Am and title it Nastradamus, but Nas decided to record new music to meet the date, because a Nas album was being put out anyway. HE opted to make those songs and make it a full fledged new release.

And I know the gaps between Nas albums. The gap itself wasn't the cause of the issue. The lack of quality songs on Nastradamus and from Nas from 2000 until December 2001 was why the gap hurt his mainstream presence.

The shelf life of IWW & I Am were much longer than the shelf life of Nastradamus, and that's reflected in Nastradamus selling a million fewer copies than IWW & I Am did. That means the album itself didn't carry through 2000, and he didn't drop any other
solo songs after that run that sustained any momentum for him through the end of 2001.

"You Owe Me" wasn't a hit with purists, but it was still a hit nonetheless. Same goes for "Oochie Wally". In between albums Nas had songs on soundtracks, several guest features, and a compilation.
Oochie Wally was a hit. You Owe me was not. You Owe Me didn't crack the top 50 on Billboard.How can it be a hit?

And of course Nas actively putting music out. Very little of it was was resonating, outside of the Hot Boyz remix and Oochie Wally. I'm not making this shyt up. There's a section on his Wikipedia page for this era entitled "1998-2000: Inconsistent Output".
 

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First off, everything counts. Columbia was going to put out the leaked material from the original I Am and title it Nastradamus, but Nas decided to record new music to meet the date, because a Nas album was being put out anyway. HE opted to make those songs and make it a full fledged new release.

And I know the gaps between Nas albums. The gap itself wasn't the cause of the issue. The lack of quality songs on Nastradamus and from Nas from 2000 until December 2001 was why the gap hurt his mainstream presence.

The shelf life of IWW & I Am were much longer than the shelf life of Nastradamus, and that's reflected in Nastradamus selling a million fewer copies than IWW & I Am did. That means the album itself didn't carry through 2000, and he didn't drop any other
solo songs after that run that sustained any momentum for him through the end of 2001.


Oochie Wally was a hit. You Owe me was not. You Owe Me didn't crack the top 50 on Billboard.How can it be a hit?

And of course Nas actively putting music out. Very little of it was was resonating, outside of the Hot Boyz remix and Oochie Wally. I'm not making this shyt up. There's a section on his Wikipedia page for this era entitled "1998-2000: Inconsistent Output".

"You Owe Me" was a hit unless you want to argue that "If I Ruled The World" wasn't a hit bevause it peakes at #53.

That Wiki section is bogus. He dropped two albums in one year between '98-'00. Both of those were platinum with one of them going 2X platinum. The only thing iconsistent was the quality.
 

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First off, everything counts. Columbia was going to put out the leaked material from the original I Am and title it Nastradamus, but Nas decided to record new music to meet the date, because a Nas album was being put out anyway. HE opted to make those songs and make it a full fledged new release.

And I know the gaps between Nas albums. The gap itself wasn't the cause of the issue. The lack of quality songs on Nastradamus and from Nas from 2000 until December 2001 was why the gap hurt his mainstream presence.

The shelf life of IWW & I Am were much longer than the shelf life of Nastradamus, and that's reflected in Nastradamus selling a million fewer copies than IWW & I Am did. That means the album itself didn't carry through 2000, and he didn't drop any other
solo songs after that run that sustained any momentum for him through the end of 2001.


Oochie Wally was a hit. You Owe me was not. You Owe Me didn't crack the top 50 on Billboard.How can it be a hit?

And of course Nas actively putting music out. Very little of it was was resonating, outside of the Hot Boyz remix and Oochie Wally. I'm not making this shyt up. There's a section on his Wikipedia page for this era entitled "1998-2000: Inconsistent Output".

Oh if Wiki said it, it must be true!

How old are you because back then you didn't constantly hear music from rappers. They dropped their albums, maybe did some features and toured. There wasn't mixtapes thrown out every 3 months and they didn't release every single thing they ever recorded like it is now. There wasn't social media so there was no immediate constant connection to the artist, we got interviews and we saw pics of them in the back pages of The Source.

Nastradamus was weak but he He found his feet again after a lackluster release, came back with a classic AND won the beef with the biggest rapper at the time.
 

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"You Owe Me" was a hit unless you want to argue that "If I Ruled The World" wasn't a hit bevause it peakes at #53.

That Wiki section is bogus. He dropped two albums in one year between '98-'00. Both of those were platinum with one of them going 2X platinum. The only thing iconsistent was the quality.
How were the sales consistent? One album sold a million less than the other and they dropped in the same year. That's half as many copies sold from one album to the next. That's a huge decline in audience.

It was his lowest selling album since his debut. That's not a coincidence. And Nastradamus went platinum in a month, which means a lot of it was off of his name & rep. It was also buoyed by being release in the 4th quarter, which is notorious for higher sales because of the Holidays. So from 2000 til Stillmatic dropped, he sold almost no albums or singles. He dropped almost no music that resonated with mainstream fans. So of course he disappeared from mainstream consciousness.

And If I Ruled The World wasn't a hit in the way you think it or You Owe Me were hits. Street Dreams and I Can were actual hits.

It's a classic song, but it's not a hit. Ruff Ryder's Anthem wasn't a hit either. It was a B Side. But it's a classic and it has more lasting value than any other hit DMX song or single. Same goes for PSA for Jay Z. If I Ruled The World is in that category. You Owe Me isn't.

But Nas isn't a singles artist, he's an album artist. Which is why it's a bigger deal that he sold half as much and then didn't drop anything of substance til Stillmatic.


Oh if Wiki said it, it must be true!

How old are you because back then you didn't constantly hear music from rappers. They dropped their albums, maybe did some features and toured. There wasn't mixtapes thrown out every 3 months and they didn't release every single thing they ever recorded like it is now. There wasn't social media so there was no immediate constant connection to the artist, we got interviews and we saw pics of them in the back pages of The Source.

Nastradamus was weak but he He found his feet again after a lackluster release, came back with a classic AND won the beef with the biggest rapper at the time.
He found his footing again 2 years later. That was my entire point. He disappeared after Nastradamus flopped and came back in 2001. He even said it in Last Real nikka Alive. I'm making a simple point here.

BTW, I'm 30, for whatever that's worth to you.

And the wiki title is simply a reflection of the public's perception of Nas, which is all I'm pointing out by mentioning it.
 

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@MIAlien This is why I hate when people rely solely on the Billboard charts to gauge how big a song was. A lot of times it's misleading, especially for street records. Because there's no way in hell that "I Can" was bigger than songs like "If I Ruled the World" and "Ruff Ryders Anthem." You just had to be there I guess.

It's kind of like how Rick Ross peaked at no. 60, but anyone that went outside would know that it was the biggest song in the streets that summer.
 

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@MIAlien This is why I hate when people rely solely on the Billboard charts to gauge how big a song was. A lot of times it's misleading, especially for street records. Because there's no way in hell that "I Can" was bigger than songs like "If I Ruled the World" and "Ruff Ryders Anthem." You just had to be there I guess.

It's like how Rick Ross peaked at no. 60 with "BMF," but anyone that went outside would know that it was the biggest song in the streets that summer.
 
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I agree that X's first album is X's best production and 'made' him. And Swizz has little to do with that.

With one notable exception: Ruff Ryders Anthem. Which made X into a star. Swizz not only made X into a star with that song, he kept DMX artistically-relevant for much longer after that first album. Almost all his songs were way bigger than anything Grease and PK made for X. While Grease and PK flamed out hard after X's first album.

If we list greats tracks that Swizz did for X:

Ruff Ryders Anthem
Some X shyt
No Love 4 Me
Party Up
Get It on The Floor
Blackout

vs great tracks Dame did for X:

Get At Me Dog
Damien
ATF


"nikkaz Done Started Something", "For My Dogs", "Let Me Fly" and "The Convo" are aight but definitely not on the level of the Swizz joints.

All the Swizz joints I mentioned are undeniable classics. How are we gonna say that Dame did way better for X when Dame only did 3 great X joints at best (some of which he got help from PK like on "Get At Me Dog"). Doesn't add up. If we say Dame's shyt plus PK's undeniable shyt (e.g. Stop Being Greedy, X is Coming, How It's Goin Down, Bring Your Whole Crew), then together they contributed more dope tracks than Swizz to X's career but barely.

There's a reason why Swizz is looked at as X's great collaborator on the production tip. This shyt isn't random.



Ruff Ryders Anthem was the biggest song on X's best album, tho.
But that one song ain't what blew him up. If u remember the time frame. U would know how the streets was reacting to DMX's album. It was the whole package that drew people into him. It was different from what was going on in the game at the time. From his rhymes and style to the production. Ruff Ryder's Anthem was far from the only song people fukked wit. It was just the most catchy for the radio.
 

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But that one song ain't what blew him up. If u remember the time frame. U would know how the streets was reacting to DMX's album. It was the whole package that drew people into him. It was different from what was going on in the game at the time. From his rhymes and style to the production.
He was in Saudi Arabia at the time Breh.
 

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First off, everything counts. Columbia was going to put out the leaked material from the original I Am and title it Nastradamus, but Nas decided to record new music to meet the date, because a Nas album was being put out anyway. HE opted to make those songs and make it a full fledged new release.

And I know the gaps between Nas albums. The gap itself wasn't the cause of the issue. The lack of quality songs on Nastradamus and from Nas from 2000 until December 2001 was why the gap hurt his mainstream presence.

The shelf life of IWW & I Am were much longer than the shelf life of Nastradamus, and that's reflected in Nastradamus selling a million fewer copies than IWW & I Am did. That means the album itself didn't carry through 2000, and he didn't drop any other
solo songs after that run that sustained any momentum for him through the end of 2001.


Oochie Wally was a hit. You Owe me was not. You Owe Me didn't crack the top 50 on Billboard.How can it be a hit?

And of course Nas actively putting music out. Very little of it was was resonating, outside of the Hot Boyz remix and Oochie Wally. I'm not making this shyt up. There's a section on his Wikipedia page for this era entitled "1998-2000: Inconsistent Output".
U don't know what u talking bout. Get off Wiki. This is where it pays to have been there. Wiki can be just as wrong as u are right now.
 
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