Cam’ron sounds off on Jim Jones on “It Is What It Is”

[-DMP-]

oh boy was huge but it wasn’t viral.

Ballin was viral cuz of the lil fade away move (and the ad lib) and this was during the one hit wonder/dance era.

That’s the best way I can explain it.

 

[Jaguar93]

Oh boy aged better too…pause
Ballin aged horribly

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

I don’t think there’s an argument that Cam’ron was a much bigger artist than Jim Jones at his apex, which was 2003-2004. He’s also just a more popular person.

Jimmy, however, has been way more musically relevant since 2005-2006 until now than Camron. You can say it’s because Cam just hasn’t been working and Jimmy has, but it’s still true.

 

[FreshAIG]

oh boy was huge but it wasn’t viral.

Ballin was viral cuz of the lil fade away move and this was during the one hit wonder/dance era.

That’s the best way I can explain it.

Yeah, the years they came out shapes the perception too. Like I said above, I do think We Fly High was a more culturally significant record, it just wasn't as big a record as Oh Boy.

Like Bling Bling is a much bigger record culturally than it was in reality.

 

[FreshAIG]

I don’t think there’s an argument that Cam’ron was a much bigger artist than Jim Jones at his apex, which was 2003-2004. He’s also just a more popular person.

Jimmy, however, has been way more musically relevant since 2005-2006 until now than Camron. You can say it’s because Cam just hasn’t been working and Jimmy has, but it’s still true.

This is true too

 

[SpacelySprockets]

fukked up shyt Cam did:

The Chrissy shirts
Copyrighting Byrdgang
Leaving Jim at the Rucker

fukked up shyt Jim did:

Turned on Cam to be used as a pawn by 50 after Cam was on Hot 97 arguing on their behalf against 50
Tried to create a fake beef with Cam
Ran off on Cam when BMF pulled up

Cam shyt is mostly immature shyt outside of the copyright thing that was actually foul as fukk but it happened after Jim suggested the fake beef so maybe he already checked out but it still wasn’t cool.



How much of We Fly High was a byproduct of Max? You’re in pure denial if you think the Byrdgang run was all Jim. Stack and Max provided the music and Mel provided the gangbanger co-sign.

Cam on the other hand is a product of his own making. Outside of the normal influences that all artists have, I can’t sit there and say “Oh, had this person not been around Hey Ma isn’t a hit” or “Clearly person X is a big reason why Oh Boy and Dipset Anthem blew up”

They not even comparable as artists imo.

went on the radio and said cam is on timeout while he was tending to his sick mom
had a conversation with cam in 09 attempting to patch things up, cam tells funk flex or somebody that they spoke, jim jones comes out and says he never spoke to cam(he did)

 

[Hostile]

For real I got 3rd grade yearbook photos with people I seen in high school and didn’t recognize them

As a kid your world is small. Your focus is limited and just because someone is physically near doesn’t mean they make up any of your memories

Especially when you grow up on blocks with buildings, there’s mad fukking people in ny and being in proximity doesn’t constitute “growing up with someone”

Me and my boys from the building have like 5-6 years on top of what we have with friends from the block, then going into school age, teen age, young adulthood etc.

Maybe it’s a NY thing but there’s definitely layers to saying you grew up with someone or you known them for however long, or even that claiming the block shyt

Reminds me of when this one girl said she saw me with another girl. I wasn't. She was just behind me in the lunch line

 

[Still Benefited]

fukked up shyt Cam did:

The Chrissy shirts
Copyrighting Byrdgang
Leaving Jim at the Rucker

fukked up shyt Jim did:

Turned on Cam to be used as a pawn by 50 after Cam was on Hot 97 arguing on their behalf against 50
Tried to create a fake beef with Cam
Ran off on Cam when BMF pulled up

Cam shyt is mostly immature shyt outside of the copyright thing that was actually foul as fukk but it happened after Jim suggested the fake beef so maybe he already checked out but it still wasn’t cool.



How much of We Fly High was a byproduct of Max? You’re in pure denial if you think the Byrdgang run was all Jim. Stack and Max provided the music and Mel provided the gangbanger co-sign.

Cam on the other hand is a product of his own making. Outside of the normal influences that all artists have, I can’t sit there and say “Oh, had this person not been around Hey Ma isn’t a hit” or “Clearly person X is a big reason why Oh Boy and Dipset Anthem blew up”

They not even comparable as artists imo.

I think Stack wrote Ballin rather than Max. And nikkas outside of NY didn't care about no damn Max B if that's what you mean. Saying Jim success is a byproduct of other people,despite us seeing him do it before and after those people is crazy


Especially if we gonna pretend Cam isn't a byproduct of Jay-Zs Rocafella chain. And the production team Jay-Z and Dame helped build at Rocafella. I don't think Cam proved otherwise unlike Jim. I know people seem to think Cam was the engine. But I was a Juelz stan and didn't get the Cam hype . I assumed his fans liked him more for comedy reasons from the quotables they used to post. And yes I did listen to Jim Jones more than Cameron. I think some of y'all want to rewrite history like Cam was some highly respected emcee out here


No he was not Jadakiss,no he was not Fab. He had a cult following based on his "aura" from what I can tell

 

[Still Benefited]

Yeah, the years they came out shapes the perception too. Like I said above, I do think We Fly High was a more culturally significant record, it just wasn't as big a record as Oh Boy.

Like Bling Bling is a much bigger record culturally than it was in reality.

That's a tough call depending what you mean by culturally significant.

If you mean among nikkas,yes. But Ballin also was viral and caught on outside the culture. Which is why I don't see how y'all can say Ballin wasn't bigger on both fronts. Mind you Jim Jones was on the graveyard known as Koch as opposed to to Def Jam. So I'm sure that could effect Billboard positioning. But among us,I wouldn't think this is even an argument.


But also if we talking long term Oh Boy is more culturally significant. Which is why I understand some saying it's bigger after thinking on it. But in real time at the moment We Fly High was everywhere. It's like this Liangelo Ball record times 20 lol.


But sure,if you use YouTube views. Nobody's going back to listen to Ballin NOW. But people do actually go back to listen to Oh Boy and Bling Bling which would make them more culturally significant. I just think Ballin felt significantly bigger in that short space where it was piping hot.

 

[Tommy Lee Jones]

You and I know

Spoiler

i used to get it in Ohio

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

I think Stack wrote Ballin rather than Max. And nikkas outside of NY didn't care about no damn Max B if that's what you mean. Saying Jim success is a byproduct of other people,despite us seeing him do it before and after those people is crazy


Especially if we gonna pretend Cam isn't a byproduct of Jay-Zs Rocafella chain. And the production team Jay-Z and Dame helped build at Rocafella. I don't think Cam proved otherwise unlike Jim. I know people seem to think Cam was the engine. But I was a Juelz stan and didn't get the Cam hype . I assumed his fans liked him more for comedy reasons from the quotables they used to post. And yes I did listen to Jim Jones more than Cameron. I think some of y'all want to rewrite history like Cam was some highly respected emcee out here


No he was not Jadakiss,no he was not Fab. He had a cult following based on his "aura" from what I can tell

Yeah nobody outside of NYC didn’t care about Max so much that me and all my friends were fans living hundreds of miles south of NYC. You right nobody cared so much that the like of Wiz Khalifa, Future, Babyface Ray, and countless other artists weren’t influenced by the wave.

And I’m seeing people saying ballin ended up in the cultural mainstream, how when the term has been in Hip Hop for years by that point? How many people say “ballin” in the same way the ad-lib does while doing a jump shot motion? lol fr that shyt is such a fukkin reach, so cuz nikkaz say “ballin” which has been around since the 90s at least that means We Fly High had cultural impact. Yall buggin

 

[Yehuda]

I only remember "Ballin'" from the catchphrase itself and the fadeaway move, I can't actually quote any lines from it. "Oh Boy" and "Hey Ma" were both bigger at least to me.

 

[GollyImGully]

I just checked the numbers, it is, by a LOT. It's even bigger than Oh Boy.

this is a wild stat who knew hey ma was doing it like that

 

[J-MIL]

 

[Yehuda]

TB

"You're trying to say this piece don't exist?" I'm in tears lmfao