Cam'ron & Ma$e Argue DMX Was A Better Rapper Than 2Pac: '[He] Had More Than 'Pac

[Menna]

"Cam’ron and Ma$e both believe that DMX was a better rapper than 2Pac.

In a discussion on Gillie Da Kid and Wallo’s Million Dollaz Worth of Game podcast, the topic turned to who was a better rapper between X and ‘Pac.

Cam’ron, who collaborated and toured with the former, offered his opinion first, saying: “Me personally? I seen DMX. I didn’t really get to see 2Pac. I’m talking about on tour with DMX, in the studio with DMX. I actually got to see n-ggas lose their mind about DMX.

“I know n-ggas love 2Pac, but I didn’t get to see him on tour or do anything else. So for me, it’s DMX because I actually got to be a part of and see him from the tournament rapping to selling 10, 20 million or however many millions of records he sold.”

Ma$e, who also worked with DMX on songs such as “24 Hrs. to Live” and “Take What’s Yours,” echoed Cam’ron’s sentiments: “I would definitely have to say DMX because when you saw the energy he poured, that DMX gave n-ggas, you could just stop one lyric that he would be saying and the whole arena would say it.

“I think a lot of times, because you learn the flaws of a n-gga, you forget how great n-ggas really were. Like DMX was one of those special, special talents.”

He added: “When I first heard DMX in the studio, I was like, ‘This n-gga is just different.’ ‘Pac was phenomenal too, I can’t take nothing away from ‘Pac, but DMX had more than Pac. I’ma go on the record and say he had more than ‘Pac.”

Watch the discussion at the 26:10 mark below.



Fellow New Yorker Memphis Bleek recently appeared on Drink Champs and told a particularly wild DMX and Ma$e story from the ’90s.

Bleek detailed an incident that took place at iconic New York nightclub The Tunnel, which famously featured in the opening of X’s 1998 movie Belly.

“This is the first day I met X,” Bleek recalled. “Diddy and Bad Boy and them are all riding down on the beach. Here come Ma$e on a scooter. That n-gga X jumped out the car and started chasing Ma$e. ‘Yo! Get back here! Wait ’til I catch you, n-gga!’

“So I’m in the back seat, like, ‘Yo! What the fukk happened between him and Ma$e?’ And nobody in the n-gga crew was running behind him, trying to stop him. So I said, ‘Whoever this n-gga is, he’s official.’”

Cam'ron & Ma$e Argue DMX Was A Better Rapper Than 2Pac: '[He] Had More Than 'Pac'

Pac was in the rap game 5 years… X 26 years…. If Pac had 21 more years no one would come close… You can’t compare someone playing 5 years in the league to somone playing 25 years

How can Cam n Ma$e say Pac when they came up under Big… Pac in 5 years put out so much quality work no one compares

 

[Trapped]

Pac never made a record more vulnerable than slippin

 

[Bugzbunny129]

Lmao.

Pac had more range than dmx idk what yalk talking about

X just had more energy when he rapped so his stuff can be overpowering. They are both pretty even but dmx does traditional rap/posse cuts/bangers better.

 

[Mac Ten]

X and Pac both related to the every day man...

No rapper will ever measure up to those two.

 

[Cladyclad]

Most of those lyrics cap

 

[Frump]

Yall New York nikkas weird when it comes to pac

We feel the same way about Pac Stan’s

Pac was a nice MC who could evoke emotion who made some dope ass songs but the way some of y’all not only overrate his music and act like it’s a sacrilege to say anyone’s better but also act like he was Martin and Malcolm all rolled into one while also acting as a father figure to some of y’all is weird as hell

RIP to the dead though

 

[Cadillac]

this is what u said


The truth is many people said, which I always believe that he was no more than a mediocre or maybe a slightly below average MC
and that wasn’t just what people were saying in the streets you can look at magazines like ’the source’ and many other hip-hop publications, or DJs/other hip hop personalities that mostly felt that way

Yeah im calling that this was commonly said . maybe in your circle of BIG glazers but not many

Biggie(your deity) is known for having that infamous rapper rating interview and said Pac got busy on the lyrics. pointing that Pacs only weakness is his beats

^^^^ and many people who "were around" say this, Pacs weakness was his beats, critics of him critiqued his production. Some of those who had other issues with him and really attacked his lyrical content and music harshly did so with mostly a bias against West coast rap anyways (Billboard, and Robert Christgau for example)
Pac was respected for his rapping. and when he got his production up(MATW -till his death) it was all up from there for him

And you mention The Source, yet in the source review of MATW, the person who reviewed him praised his lyricism. calling him even a elite lyricist.


Those who did call him below avg were entities( mainly east coast critics, personalities, etc ) who did so after Pac/Bigs death. To big up Big and down pac in the debate that sprung from their beef and death.

And its only been happening from the same region(east) more so after their death. Given how Pac eclipsed and still does eclipse Biggie in impact, sales, and legacy and GOAT status with him being seen and is better than Big. As well as being crowned by many as the GOAT over others like nas, jay, etc. That them nikkas want to keep saying "he was a below avg rapper"

just like you nikkas have had this thread go on for 9 pages, and none of yall proven with solid verses, lyrical examples of how X is better or a better lyricist and rapper

 

[Cadillac]

He had a song with the Lox and Mase in their primes and obligerated them lyrically

nikkaz done started something, is a far cry to warranting x a great lyricist

that verse consist of just a bunch of internal, and compound rhymes. With a sparse amount of similies, metaphors, entendres, or wordplay
even technical wise, its not that impressive

lyrically speaking X only won that song because of length of his verse and the hardcoreness/rawness of his bars not because of lyrical dexterity, lyrical density and wit.
and that pertains to almost all of his best verses

a portion of that verse was just 1 syllable internal rhyming, 2 syllable multi rhyming nothing "great lyricist" about it
If that verse came from another nikka who wasnt a NY rapper let alone 90s NY rapper, yall would be calling it a above average verse (and dont act like yall wouldn't)

Im a fan of X to, but of all things, calling him a great lyricist and saying he has more range than Pac is asinine. him being more creative than Pac i feel is to but thats more subjective(its not really but thats my opinion) than the former two which is downright objectively wrong.

 

[JustCKing]

And people mentioning posse cuts must've missed "Got My Mind Made Up".

 

[JQ Legend]

nikkaz done started something, is a far cry to warranting x a great lyricist

that verse consist of just a bunch of internal, and compound rhymes with very hardly any similies, metaphors, entendres, or wordplay
even technical wise, its not that impressive

lyrically speaking X only won that song because of length of his verse and the hardcoreness/rawness of his bars not because of lyrical dexterity, lyrical density and wit.
and that pertains to almost all of his best verses

a portion of that verse was just 1 syllable internal rhyming, 2 syllable multi rhyming nothing "great lyricist" about it

if that verse came from another nikka who wasnt a NY rapper let alone 90s NY rapper, yall would be calling it a above average verse (and dont act like yall wouldn't)

Pretty sure he was tombout 24 Hrs To Live

Most people I know of felt like Mase had the best verse on Done Started Somethin

Lot of people were shocked to hear Mase rap like that because all they knew him for was making girl friendly records

24 Hrs To Live everyone did their thing but X clearly had the stand out verse

And X was def a dope lyricist. Every single verse he spit on IDAHIH and FOMF were dope, literally not a single verse that was mediocre or less. X had the rhyme schemes down to a tee and his lyrics were dope too.

Let’s not act like X wasn’t holding his own with Nas Hov and whoever else he did a track with while they were in their primes

 

[JQ Legend]

And people mentioning posse cuts must've missed "Got My Mind Made Up".

Life Of An Outlaw
Tradin War Stories

And plenty others too

Pac got songs with The Outlawz that could rival tracks with X Hov Beans and LOX all on the same record

 

[Cadillac]

And people mentioning posse cuts must've missed "Got My Mind Made Up".

and tracks like

We do This- Too Short
Million dollar Spot- E-40
Initiated and Dont Stopp with Dogg Pound.

Got 2 Survive - by Young Lay

Pretty sure he was tombout 24 Hrs To Live

Most people I know of felt like Mase had the best verse on Done Started Somethi

Im sure hes talkin Done started

wouldnt make sense to base your argument off 24 hours to live, X verse was dope but nothing of note was said in his verse to say he is "great lyricist" off that
just his usual raw energy and cadence that makes him memorable tho.


X is a good lyricist tho, im a fan of X. I aint saying he weak, his introspection, storytelling and just rapping make him a dope lyricist

 

[Bondye Vodou]

There is no Life After Death without All Eyez on Me.....

Wouldn’t be no AEOM, Thug Life, MATW without RTD.



Songs like this only exist because Ballerina P got to hear music from Biggie’s unfinished album. Ask Easy Mo Bee.

 

[seemorecizzy]

For da record this is not a pac bashing thread lol
yall just get in your feelings anytime someone says he wasnt the best at every aspect of hip hop. Cam and mase were not dissin him either lol

There are plenty of ny rappers tupac raps better than, the majority actually. Dmx in his prime isn't one of em

 

[seemorecizzy]

ju

damn near every song on all eyez on me are street anthems

dmx is more aggression than passion on the mic, he cant make no dear mama or brendas got a baby why lie when we got access to dmx's discography

Dmx could easily make a dear mama
He just did not have love for his mother and father like that. But he has proven he has no problem puttin it all out there.


what these bytches want from a nikka is pretty much a street version of i get around. How its going down is better then any female track Pac ever dropped..and its a story from front to back.


I dont see Dmx making a brenda got a baby, that i agree with that. Tupac is more "thought provoking"but could not make a song like damien, or atf, or even crime story.

That was limitations to his lyrics

Look at me and my girlfriend vs i gave you power. Both are classic songs, but u can clearly see that pac's version is much more simple and less vivid then nas's record. It lacks certain depth.