Cam'ron & Ma$e Argue DMX Was A Better Rapper Than 2Pac: '[He] Had More Than 'Pac

[Westbama Heartthrob]

I’m completely unbiased and I was around for both of their entire career arch from beginning to end.

We didn’t even consider 2Pac a great rapper, it was about more than rapping ability with him.

That might sound crazy if you grew up a few years later and think Jeezy is a great rapper, it just is what it is.

The bar was way higher back then.

X on the other hand, his barking growling and shyt might just have distracted from how NICE that nikka really was.

Even that is questionable

Method man was rapping some green eggs and ham type shyt until tical but was still seen as one of the best in the game

Not saying he was ever wack but folks real funny when they talk about what is and isn't great

Like how jay z can phone in the most average verse he can think of and it be hailed as verse of the year, but lupe will drop an intricate one that gets dismissed as too complicated and try hard

But the same people will diss the south for not having complex rhymes

Yet we who see the bias are supposed to be crazy

 

[tuckgod]

I gotta respectfully disagree, Mase body that song, and his verse is considered the best off that track by the overall massive

I’ve gone back and forth between those 2 verses for 30 years

nikkas used to have real life ARGUMENTS about that shyt

It’s definitely not consensus either way in my travels

 

[kingofnyc]

Mase killed it too, not mad at that take he had the best verse. I think the general consensus is X killed it the most that's why he closed it out. I think it was "Holy shyt, I ain't no Mase could rap like that" reaction because a lot of people was used to shiney suit Mase and wasn't aware of his background. Remember this was out years before his album, and back then whoever had the best verse either opened or closed out the song more times than not.

yeah that was children of da corn aka MurdaMase
NOT puff shinny suit aka M A $ E

 

[kingofnyc]

I’ve gone back and forth between those 2 verses for 30 years

nikkas used to have real life ARGUMENTS about that shyt

It’s definitely not consensus either way in my travels

also nikkaz done had lifetime arguments of which is the better posse song
nikkaz done started something or 24 hours to live

 

[bigde09]

Don't be mad at the truth. All Eyez on Me was a monster hit and Puff clearly wanted to compete with it.

Biggie idolized Pac

 

[tuckgod]

Even that is questionable

Method man was rapping some green eggs and ham type shyt until tical but was still seen as one of the best in the game

Not saying he was ever wack but folks real funny when they talk about what is and isn't great

Like how jay z can phone in the most average verse he can think of and it be hailed as verse of the year, but lupe will drop an intricate one that gets dismissed as too complicated and try hard

But the same people will diss the south for not having complex rhymes

Yet we who see the bias are supposed to be crazy

You out yo rabbit ass mind disrespecting Meth like that

Wu dropped at the end of the Rah Rah Busta Rhymes Fu-schnikins era and Meth was still under that act but he won’t never elementary.

His sword was always sharp



But we never considered him the nicest back then, it was always Deck and GZA.

 

[tuckgod]

also nikkaz done had lifetime arguments of which is the better posse song
nikkaz done started something or 24 hours to live

Damn right

 

[tuckgod]

What did DMX do lyrically that Pac couldn't/didn't do?

I'm still waiting for someone to drop DMX's equivalent of "Keep Ya Head Up", "Brenda's Got A Baby" or "Dear Mama".

That’s soul music, we talking technical ability, word play.

If I know all your next rhyming words and I’ve never heard the song before you’re not a great rapper.

We used to do that to Pac songs, Celly Cel, Master P, nikkas like that all the time and laugh.

It’s a great way to pass the time when you’re 16 with 10 nikkas on one blunt of brown weed.

Great rappers keep you guessing and dazzle you every time because that’s what real talent does to you

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

You out yo rabbit ass mind disrespecting Meth like that

Wu dropped at the end of the Rah Rah Busta Rhymes Fu-schnikins era and Meth was still under that act but he won’t never elementary.

His sword was always sharp



But we never considered him the nicest back then, it was always Deck and GZA.

You're confused

It wasn't a diss. I'm saying it's crazy how east coast rappers can literally use nursery rhymes and rap cartoonishly, but get respected as lyricists but rappers outside NY get held to a higher standard

If gucci mane rapped this:

"Hey, you, get off my cloud
You don't know me and you don't know my style
Who be gettin' flam when they come to a jam?
Here I am, here I am, the Gucci Mane
Pat-a-cake, pat-a-cake, hey, the Gucci Mane
Don't eat Skippy, Jif or Peter Pan
Peanut butter 'cause I'm not butter
In fact, I snap back like a rubber
Band, I be Sam, Sam-I-Am
And I don't eat green eggs and ham
Style'll hit ya, wham, then goddamn
You'll be like, "Oh shyt, that's the jam"
Turn it up, now hear me get buck w-w-wild
I'm about to blow, light me up (Light me up)
Upside, downside, inside and outside
Hittin' you from every angle, there's no doubt I
Am the one and only Gucci Mane
The master of the plan, rappin' shyt like Saran
Wrap, with some of this and some of that
Hold up (What?) I tawt I taw a putty tat
Over there, but I think he best to beware
Of the diggy dog shyt right here
Yippy-yippy-yay, yippy-yah, yippy-yo
Like Deck said, "This ain't your average flow"
Comin' like rah, ooh-ah, achie-kah
Tell me, how you like it so far, baby paw?
The poetry's in motion, coast to coast and
Rub it on your skin like lotion
What's the commotion? Oh my Lord"

Some ny nikka would be like "this Nikka and these dr Seuss, mother goose rhymes "

 

[tuckgod]

Double

 

[JustCKing]

That’s soul music, we talking technical ability, word play.

If I know all your next rhyming words and I’ve never heard the song before you’re not a great rapper.

Great rappers keep you guessing and dazzle you every time because that’s what real talent does to you

That whole Pac being repetitive rhy.ing henessy with enemy is exaggerated. There are many examples of Pac dazzling with words. Pac was a poet.

 

[tuckgod]

That whole Pac being repetitive rhy.ing henessy with enemy is exaggerated. There are many examples of Pac dazzling with words. Pac was a poet.

Never said that.

Dont put words in my mouth I don’t have time to argue other nikkas points.

He never dazzled me or anyone I talked to at the time and I challenge you to find one article written when he was alive that said anything about his ability as a rapper.

He was a persona from jump.

 

[Nomad1]

He had a song with the Lox and Mase in their primes and obligerated them lyrically

Which is cool and all but he has no quotes, no good bars etc. He might have been nice on the mic but you guys are definitely overstating his skills.

ju

Dmx could easily make a dear mama
He just did not have love for his mother and father like that. But he has proven he has no problem puttin it all out there.


what these bytches want from a nikka is pretty much a street version of i get around. How its going down is better then any female track Pac ever dropped..and its a story from front to back.


I dont see Dmx making a brenda got a baby, that i agree with that. Tupac is more "thought provoking"but could not make a song like damien, or atf, or even crime story.

That was limitations to his lyrics

Look at me and my girlfriend vs i gave you power. Both are classic songs, but u can clearly see that pac's version is much more simple and less vivid then nas's record. It lacks certain depth.

DMX didn't make those songs because he's a different type of rapper. Pac was more versatile than DMX and we can post songs for days showing that to be the case. But if Mase and Cam fuvk with him more than that's fine. Not really debating that.

you dont know what you are talking about

Give me ten DMX bars and quotes then.

Nobody can name me these Pac songs. Lets keep it real yo, if homie wasnt outside getting in fights and getting shot at every other week.


nikka would of been Mic Geronimo status (cool 90s middling rapper from back in the day). Pac's breakout songs were I get around and Brenda's got a baby. Then he went on a gangster rap streak that the world fell in love with.


How Pac the greatest rapper of all time when people only jack the last 3 albums of his discography for real. X came out the gate BLAZING. Then went plat again dropping 2 in one year.

Lets not pretend like people don't talk about anything besides DMXs first three albums... Cus we don't. Compare that with a 5 year career vs a 20+ one, this argument isn't helping you at all

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

X's style always seemed a lil more contrived/superficial to me.Even his rap voice came off as a put on, gimmicky.The barks.I also thought he leaned on the whole "Nicca talks to God" concepts a lil too much for my liking.Which I find overdone, unoriginal, and the most basic way to add spiritual "depth" & emotion to your music.Cheat code status.X to me was always the missing member of Onyx.Ironically, those same elements served to make him a bigger "event" than Pac far as entertainment value.The DMX experience is more digestible to the average listener.X made sure to put on a show.You get the IDAHIH intro followed by X leading the whole stadium in prayer.Then boom Stop Being Greedy!They're worked up in a fervor by that point.It was an overall better production than anything Tupac gave us.Pac was never "Turn the lights down here..i'm going to hit them with the prayer there".You got the full orchestrated show with X.Pac was more practical.He wouldn't lead you in prayer, he'd more the likely say something like this




Before he rocked the mic.Like I said.Broader strokes.His style wasn't really made to entertain you.It was more journalistic.He was reporting the news & ills of society with way more clarity/eloquence than X ever did.X was more self contained & concerned about expressing his personal/internal issues/traumas.Pac could do that to, but he also could leave that space, and shed light on the external issues that cause us to be that way.I think that's where X falls short of Pac.That's where pac gains the edge in terms of appeal/connectivity with a wide array of diverse listeners.If you keep it strictly inside the confines of Hip Hop, you can argue that X is the better rapper.On grand scale, world wide, universally;Pac's the greater artist...I'm leaving now.I don't wanna start no shyt in here

 

[JustCKing]

Never said that.

Dont put words in my mouth I don’t have time to argue other nikkas points.

He never dazzled me or anyone I talked to at the time and I challenge you to find one article written when he was alive that said anything about his ability as a rapper.

He was a persona from jump.

Easily done:

In his review for The Source, the leading hip-hop magazine in the United States, Allen Gordon hailed Shakur as an elite lyricist on display on the album, called it "his best work by far" and noted that "any complaints critics and fans alike had about Tupac's last two albums can be put to rest".