Caller On Yvette Carnell Analyzes Dr. Claud Anderson

[Easy-E]

How can people with their own infrastructure be redlined into undesirable areas of a city retard?

I'll always respect Yvette 4 trying 2 cut this Black Oasis bullshyt out.

That's why she hates the movie so much.

We swear we got it together only 150 years after 300 yrs of slavery and 45 post segregation/Jim Crow.

 

[David_TheMan]

That changes what I said about White people controlling the educations Blacks received? no dumbass

Like I actually said, whites largely ignored and didn't care about what blacks did in the black schools. Which gave blacks a real autonomy over their own education environments.
I see you purposely ignored that statement of fact that I documented.

Ummmm it actually does mean you have the ability to react to other countries monetary policy stupid

Like I said using other nations currency has never meant no economic independence. US used sterling and gold from spain in the course of its existence while being independent. Hell you have nations like Cambodia, Ecquador, and Costa Rica that use the US dollar. So its very easy to say you simply are making a flase statement.


How can people with their own infrastructure be redlined into undesirable areas of a city retard?[/QUOTE]
Integration is what caused blacks to become reliant on white banks. Again this is documented
The Rise and Fall of Black Wall Street

African Americans in cities like Richmond, Chicago, and Atlanta relied on black community banks, which were largely responsible for providing loans and boosting black businesses, churches, and neighborhoods. After desegregation, black wealth started to hemorrhage from these communities: White-owned banks were forced to open their doors to African Americans and the money that once flowed into black banks and back out to black communities ended up on Wall Street and other banks farther away.

“We started to lose a lot of our businesses and support for our businesses,” says Michael Grant, president of the National Bankers Association, a trade group representing nearly 200 minority and women-owned banks across the United States. “That was the toxic side of integration.” The financial meltdown of 2007 wiped out 40 percent of African American wealth in the United States, killing off many of these already-struggling community banks (they were not part of the big Wall Street bailout). Tri-State Bank in Memphis still exists, but it’s among the few that survived. Only 25 black-owned banks remain in the United States, according to the latest data from the FDIC, compared to 45 a decade ago. At their height, there were more than 100, says Grant.

So again try to educate yourself before trying to call someone stupid.

 

[David_TheMan]

I'll always respect Yvette 4 trying 2 cut this Black Oasis bullshyt out.

That's why she hates the movie so much.

We swear we got it together only 150 years after 300 yrs of slavery and 45 post segregation/Jim Crow.

LOL we swear we are capable of doing all we can to help ourselves and to stand up on our own feet. SMH
You defeatist cats have whole sale accepted the doctrine of black inferiroity and need for white savior/help/acommodation. Its sad as hell.

 

[Momentum]

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

From what I've heard discussed about this topic there are a few things that can be done and these ideas are not all centered around business.. One of the first ideas I've heard circulated would be guaranteed government contracts for existing and future black businesses. For example if a city is funding a new building making sure some of the contract work goes to a black contractor. If it has say an event hall maybe have a black caterer on contract to provide food. These are small things that white business get all the time and while not very glamorous it's solid work that can employ black people.

Another idea would revolve around beefing up the amount of loans that are given to black businesses to help get them off the ground. It has been noted many times here that SBA loans during the Obama administration dipped dangerously low below, 10% of all loans IIRC This isn't necessarily a new policy but I think if you had some sort of auditing system in place to periodically monitor this it would help keep a steady flow of money available to black startups.

Overall we need a stable community to help patron any of these businesses and William Darrity along with Darrick Hamilton have both pushed for baby bonds which would help provide a source of wealth black people (although they propose it for all Americans) to tap into at specific points in their lives and would relieve some of the financial pressure we face due to not having any generational wealth. Here is a link that goes into details:

Baby Bonds: A Plan for Black/White Wealth Equality Conservatives Could Love?

Those are a few ideas that I have heard and that I think are sound in principle.

The baby bonds idea sounds promising but I would add one requirement being asset enhancing for both the individual and the community, not just the individual

Some government contracts already require a certain percentage of minority/women run businesses to be involved, which I believe should explicitly mention Black people only. Some Black businesses are eating off that because the larger cac contractors need to satisfy those minority/women involvement requirements and are paying just for their signature to complete the paperwork. Such actions are illegal and undermines the goals of the requirement

I agree. Bank loan practices are a problem, even with a Black president. And as we know politicians are in the banksters pocket. Knowing this, a friend once said the Black community should "take out a loan" with another country's government via a local banks and services from businesses based that country. Regardless of the country's race/religion/dictatorship or not. We use as collateral for the loan the same assists used for the federal government; home confiscation /business shutdown/imprisonment/bad credit etc ...in return we exclusively use their services in conjunction with our businesses

Some other suggestions
-offer incentives for private companies to mentor/network/do business with Black business like those indian tribal governments do for their local businesses
-simply wave the fees to start a business for Black folks
-increase and make explicit, the percentage of Black business involvement for certain government contracts
-offer incentives for the number of Black businesses invested per year by a venture capitalist

The second portion of your quote that I highlighted I am not fully understanding . Are you saying that we can't demand the government implement and enforce these polices because potential black business owners may not reciprocate investment into the black community? I need some clarification on that statement please.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Societal responsibility means nothing without being complimented by personal responsibility, vice versa

There's no difference between a self serving Black person and a self-serving non-Black person. It's a clear scam to make demands to receive compensation based on the plight faced by your ancestors in order to make your pockets heavier without guaranteeing a percentage of it goes back to the community to ensure such plights will no longer be faced

Regulations against these monopolies (Wal-Mart) that come into American communities, kill small businesses, then, leave and leave people unemployed
Audit the racist loan practices of banks
For starters
Yvette has a lot of great ideas, but, thecoli hates her because she shyts on people who show they don't care about us
IG has been integral in Diddy becoming the face of pro--blackness and that nikka fukks over black people like a whtite man

Those monopolies fawks everyone over, so that's kinda like that cliche about the rising tide floats all the boats, how every that saying goes

As I said above, I agree with a focus on loan practices and will piggyback on already existing programs, sponsored by certain banks where participating businesses that completes the program will get a loan. So the federal government could force/entice banks to sponsor such programs for Black businesses

Even without such programs, there's still enough opportunities for Black businesses to prosper and buildup the community resources

Yvette has a lot of great ideas, but, thecoli hates her because she shyts on people who show they don't care about us

I don't understand how nikkas relentlessly try to undermine Black folks that are promoting an unapologetic Blackness. Nobody is above criticism, but playing favorites among the Black activists and/or Pro-Black advocate by lying/exaggerating/ignoring facts inorder to support their fav activist/advocate is the epitome of hypocrisy and counter productive when complaining about white supremacy tactics

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

In order to run for office, you need money. So a number of people need to be in a position to not only afford to run, but have the discipline, and passion to make real changes while in office, not just get caught up all the financial connections you make as politicians. A lot of politicians keep certain policies in place because people pay them, and donate to their campaign. So it's easy to forget about the best interests of your community, when a few rich donors are linkng your pockets.

As far as economics, there is a lot of opportunity to creat our own thriving, or at least functioning communities, but most people are not thinking about creating businesses that keep the average community running. If a kid goes to college or learns a trade, their first mission is to get a job. They aren't thinking about average community businesses

Car wash
Gas station
Convenience store
Florist
Dry cleaners
Restaurants
Home builders
Auto dealorship
Daycare
Limo company
Printing company
Sign company
Cleaning company
Towing company
Electrician
HVAC
Bakery
Cigar shop
Grocery store
Gym
Nail shop
Arcade
Those bouncing places people take their kids
Movie theater

Even opening franchises

But even with funding, that entrepreneur mentality is not encouraged in black communitiies. Every other group of people maintained their communities because they had to. But we were soooooo focused on being included in the white community, that we didn't focus on improving our own. Now, we're quite possibly facing the end of affirmative action with this administration. Once white people get the chance to not hire us in decent, self supporting positions that allow us to meet the cost of living, we'll not only have more unemployed black people, but still continue to give the white owned companies our money, because we didn't create our own.

How many decades have black people been out of work, and we were called lazy, and not trying hard enough? Now, all the focus is on the white people in the midwest and rust belt, because they can't find work. Why isn't the government calling them lazy for not getting new skills, or moving to where the jobs are?

Truth. But the bold portion has been proven to be impossible since the political system at it's core is corrupt and money hungry. Which the rich folks, regardless of race, would never abandon any advantages that money provides for them

 

[omnifax]

That's exactly what I'm saying. Societal responsibility means nothing without being complimented by personal responsibility, vice versa

There's no difference between a self serving Black person and a self-serving non-Black person. It's a clear scam to make demands to receive compensation based on the plight faced by your ancestors in order to make your pockets heavier without guaranteeing a percentage of it goes back to the community to ensure such plights will no longer be faced

I don't think that is a difficult problem to address, you can have committees perform regular reviews or audits to help make sure that is happening. I mean no one can guarantee that you won't have corrupt individuals in any given group but you can set up measures to monitor and minimize their impact.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

We disagree because you continue to disrespect me with this "white daddy" bullshyt.

Take a second and re-read my posts.

I'm worry about my people and understand what we have and don't. And most importantly I understand why we don't have it and who took it from us.

You take money outta my pocket; I ain't paying for shyt until you pay me, especially when you telling restaurants not to serve me and stopping cab drivers from taking me to another part of town.

The answer isn't to get in my car, drive to the country and try to open up a farm to get a damn burger--a farm that will be taxed by the a$$hole that stopped me from eating in the city.

We both wanna go the same place, but, I'm asking you to be realistic. I'm talking to the steps before self reliance. We're just not equipped for that--yet.

You literally said the same to me, with regard to me seeking white acceptance yourself. I just threw it back at you, and its not like I said it as an insult. I literally described why I see it that way. If you to explain why it wasn't thats on you, but I never personally insulted you, just your argument.

As for being realistic. I feel I'm being perfectly realistic. You can't expect or beg or ask anything from white people because they aren't moral and they don't want to be righteous. If the majority of them were we wouldn't have been wronged and we wouldn't continue to be wronged. So its foolish and unrealistic to think if you keep of begging them for favors that they will give it to you and do something in the interest for black americans.

Simple as that.

Like I said we both seem to want the same end, but I think you are being unrealistic and putting too much faith into needing a white helping hand that is never going to come and if it does come will come with strings attached to ensure they benefit at our expense.

So like I said before you want to agree to disagree, I'm fine with that, but if you want to claim your plan is "realistic" and the side I fall on is unrealistic well I'm going to tell you exactly why I feel the way I do and I'm going to breakdown not only why I disagree but why I think your path is wrong and misguided and what I think the cause of that misguidedness comes from.

Reading a few of yall posts in here, both you brehs are correct. Yall points merge the current plight with the current and future goals
We should hold government accountable for it's contributions to our plight/reality by demanding compensation in some form, while using our plight/reality as motivations for why self reliance and pro-blackness(not Black advocacy) should be the current and generational goals

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

I don't think that is a difficult problem to address, you can have committees perform regular reviews or audits to help make sure that is happening. I mean no one can guarantee that you won't have corrupt individuals in any given group but you can set up measures to monitor and minimize their impact.

Accountability is certainly possible, I'm just reflecting on the various common deflections and excuses on the coli when trying to hold Black folks accountable...bu bu I'm a business man / you can't tell him what to do with his money/stop pocket watching/stop policing that man's dyck etc

 

[Easy-E]

I don't understand how nikkas relentlessly try to undermine Black folks that are promoting an unapologetic Blackness. Nobody is above criticism, but playing favorites among the Black activists and/or Pro-Black advocate by lying/exaggerating/ignoring facts inorder to support their fav activist/advocate is the epitome of hypocrisy and counter productive when complaining about white supremacy tactics

I don't play favorite.

My problem with Yvette is that she does get to the point of "Black people can't have fun."

And she know how depressed we are, so, it's important to get leisure.

But, people would rather be Diddy than Yvette, simply because he got money. But, only one actually cares about black people.

Those monopolies fawks everyone over, so that's kinda like that cliche about the rising tide floats all the boats, how every that saying goes

As I said above, I agree with a focus on loan practices and will piggyback on already existing programs, sponsored by certain banks where participating businesses that completes the program will get a loan. So the federal government could force/entice banks to sponsor such programs for Black businesses

Even without such programs, there's still enough opportunities for Black businesses to prosper and buildup the community resources

When it comes to monopolies; no, a rising tide sinks boats and raise other ships...most of us in boats

My problem with homie's view and a lot of us trying to be rich over free;

• Black do not have money like that---FACT. So, that means there's a fight to be had when we mostly have nothing. So, telling me about rich black people, you may as well be telling me about shooting stars--it's rare.
• There is NO PRECEDENT of black people being anti-politics and striving as a whole. Rich people depend HEAVILY on the gov't--hell, they even get welfare. This is fact. No debate.
• But, we will treat politics and demanding reparations as some pimp dreams or beggin...but, history shows there's a PRECEDENT for people fighting for their reparations and black Americans have got all these strides by fighting through politics.

I'm not saying it will be perfect or that we need to be buddy, buddy with white folk.

But, ignoring politics' role in our lives is ignorant and naive.

Black people have no money to be self-sufficient and I dare someone to PROVE otherwise.

Slavery was only 150 years ago! That's like a couple generations.

I've argued this too much.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

I don't play favorite.
My problem with Yvette is that she does get to the point of "Black people can't have fun."
And she know how depressed we are, so, it's important to get leisure.
But, people would rather be Diddy than Yvette, simply because he got money. But, only one actually cares about black people.

I think she's all about maintaining perspective
Enjoy the movie, but don't suddenly feel empowered by it
Strive for independence, but don't forget what's owed
Don't like Monique, ok, but don't forget that this is bigger than Monique

When it comes to monopolies; no, a rising tide sinks boats and raise other ships...most of us in boats

My problem with homie's view and a lot of us trying to be rich over free;

• Black do not have money like that---FACT. So, that means there's a fight to be had when we mostly have nothing. So, telling me about rich black people, you may as well be telling me about shooting stars--it's rare.
• There is NO PRECEDENT of black people being anti-politics and striving as a whole. Rich people depend HEAVILY on the gov't--hell, they even get welfare. This is fact. No debate.
• But, we will treat politics and demanding reparations as some pimp dreams or beggin...but, history shows there's a PRECEDENT for people fighting for their reparations and black Americans have got all these strides by fighting through politics.

I'm not saying it will be perfect or that we need to be buddy, buddy with white folk.

But, ignoring politics' role in our lives is ignorant and naive.

Black people have no money to be self-sufficient and I dare someone to PROVE otherwise.

Slavery was only 150 years ago! That's like a couple generations.

I've argued this too much.

What does Blacks do not have "money like that" mean? And why is the current amount of money not a good starting point?

Maybe I missed something but I don't think breh was being anti-politics, I think he was rightfully stressing the goal that should be the purpose of all actions, including fighting for reparations and holding the government accountable
In other words, after getting reparations and getting the government to adopt certain Black community focused policies, then whats done with the money from reparations and what details to add to the policies, will differ between an integrationist and a separatist

 

[Easy-E]

Wha
t does Blacks do not have "money like that" mean?

• There are only 380,000 outta 14 million black families worth over a single million. The vast majority of the rest live close to the poverty line.
• Last year 1 in 5 black men were unemployed
• In 35 major cities, the jobless rate for young black men is at 45%
• Black men are locked up at a rate never seen in a civilized first world society ever
• Black people are still being discriminated against for home loans and small business loans

You may want me to post income numbers, but, regardless of you even having money, you not gonna have it for long when all of the above is true.

What does Blacks do not have "money like that" mean? And why is the current amount of money not a good starting point?

Maybe I missed something but I don't think breh was being anti-politics, I think he was rightfully stressing the goal that should be the purpose of all actions, including fighting for reparations and holding the government accountable

I hate to keep referring to him without him being here, but, he's been spouting that "white daddy" stuff for two threads simply by me saying we need to do politics.

In other words, after getting reparations and getting the government to adopt certain Black community focused policies, then whats done with the money from reparations and what details to add to the policies, will differ between an integrationist and a separatist

We will never be able to integrate, white people never want to be equal to us.

This is a first world nation, you don't get to just split off. Ask the PUSH people in Philly. You get to be separate and point guns at the Feds for being on your property when your white. There's a reason there aren't scores of black Amish like people.

We're American, but, this place is fukked up. We'll always be black and fit in here more than anywhere in the world--save me the African nations would welcome us with open arms. As xenophobic as the US is, there visa laws allow Africans to come here and make money much long than African nation allow us to come over there. They understand that their Africans come before us. We black, but, we still American.

I know it's not ideal. But, it's reality--I'm an adult, I don't have anymore time to dream of a black oasis that never was.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

• There are only 380,000 outta 14 million black families worth over a single million. The vast majority of the rest live close to the poverty line.
• Last year 1 in 5 black men were unemployed
• In 35 major cities, the jobless rate for young black men is at 45%
• Black men are locked up at a rate never seen in a civilized first world society ever
• Black people are still being discriminated against for home loans and small business loans

You may want me to post income numbers, but, regardless of you even having money, you not gonna have it for long when all of the above is true.

Given the stats you presented, is the creation of the the following community businesses possible?

In order to run for office, you need money. So a number of people need to be in a position to not only afford to run, but have the discipline, and passion to make real changes while in office, not just get caught up all the financial connections you make as politicians. A lot of politicians keep certain policies in place because people pay them, and donate to their campaign. So it's easy to forget about the best interests of your community, when a few rich donors are linkng your pockets.

As far as economics, there is a lot of opportunity to creat our own thriving, or at least functioning communities, but most people are not thinking about creating businesses that keep the average community running. If a kid goes to college or learns a trade, their first mission is to get a job. They aren't thinking about average community businesses

Car wash
Gas station
Convenience store
Florist
Dry cleaners
Restaurants
Home builders
Auto dealorship
Daycare
Limo company
Printing company
Sign company
Cleaning company
Towing company
Electrician
HVAC
Bakery
Cigar shop
Grocery store
Gym
Nail shop
Arcade
Those bouncing places people take their kids
Movie theater

Even opening franchises

But even with funding, that entrepreneur mentality is not encouraged in black communitiies. Every other group of people maintained their communities because they had to. But we were soooooo focused on being included in the white community, that we didn't focus on improving our own. Now, we're quite possibly facing the end of affirmative action with this administration. Once white people get the chance to not hire us in decent, self supporting positions that allow us to meet the cost of living, we'll not only have more unemployed black people, but still continue to give the white owned companies our money, because we didn't create our own.

How many decades have black people been out of work, and we were called lazy, and not trying hard enough? Now, all the focus is on the white people in the midwest and rust belt, because they can't find work. Why isn't the government calling them lazy for not getting new skills, or moving to where the jobs are?

I hate to keep referring to him without him being here, but, he's been spouting that "white daddy" stuff for two threads simply by me saying we need to do politics.
We will never be able to integrate, white people never want to be equal to us.
This is a first world nation, you don't get to just split off. Ask the PUSH people in Philly. You get to be separate and point guns at the Feds for being on your property when your white. There's a reason there aren't scores of black Amish like people.
We're American, but, this place is fukked up. We'll always be black and fit in here more than anywhere in the world--save me the African nations would welcome us with open arms. As xenophobic as the US is, there visa laws allow Africans to come here and make money much long than African nation allow us to come over there. They understand that their Africans come before us. We black, but, we still American.
I know it's not ideal. But, it's reality--I'm an adult, I don't have anymore time to dream of a black oasis that never was.

Clearly I haven't followed yall exchanges in other threads, I'm not sure if breh is talmbowt having an entire state for only Blackfolks or Blackfolks being coded up and disciplined to be unapologeticly pro-black despite doing business with and for non-blacks. But from what I read in this thread, it seems yall agree on the bolded. So that's a start and why I think both of yall are correct
I totally agree with not depending on the hopeful generosity of African nations

 

[Easy-E]

Given the stats you presented, is the creation of the the following community businesses possible?

No. There's a reason our neighborhoods are filled with Asians and Arabs doing all the business.

I've NEVER seen a black business in a white neighborhood.

I want all those things, but, we don't have it and it's not because of bad decisions.

Doug Jones just signed a bill to make it impossible to audit bank records to see how many black folk get loans.

Immigrants come here WITH SOMETHING. That poor-humble immigrant myth is just that. The best and brightest come here and take and take. And they don't have to deal with being descendants of American slavery.

Africans are dealing better than us.

Also, let's not forget most "rich" black people either prey on us (Puffy, JAY-Z) are isolated from us or make too much money from white folks to rock the boat.

This shyt is real.

 

[CreepyMcCreeperson]

Given the stats you presented, is the creation of the the following community businesses possible?






Clearly I haven't followed yall exchanges in other threads, I'm not sure if breh is talmbowt having an entire state for only Blackfolks or Blackfolks being coded up and disciplined to be unapologeticly pro-black despite doing business with and for non-blacks. But from what I read in this thread, it seems yall agree on the bolded. So that's a start and why I think both of yall are correct
I totally agree with not depending on the hopeful generosity of African nations

This

I’m not talking about a “black enthnostate” the way the yt nationalists talk about it. I’m just saying we need more predominantly black communities that are up to those standards.