Caller On Yvette Carnell Analyzes Dr. Claud Anderson

[Easy-E]

Start around 2:07:00 to about 2:15:00

Caller says Dr. Claud spent 30 years in government via military, schooling, and politics BEFORE he ever owned a business.

Yvette says Dr. Claud has a great grasp of the problem but his solutions are completely wrong

Obviously Claud thinks Black folks should build an economic base and parlay that into politics while Yvette think political capital leads to economic mobility.

Yvette says a full show analyzing Powernomics ideology is otw and a caller even suggest she has Claud call in...

Thoughts?

He's another anti-government/Black oasis brother, I'm seeing

I should read one of his books til I make a judgement, but, I see he's always selling

But, I watched it live; she's better not to debate him...what's the point?

 

[omnifax]

A friend of mine somewhat echoed your words about the necessity of the government and how most solutions are destined to fail without government involvement
I'll ask you, what I asked him...what achievable policy do you want implemented that support Black business? and how does that policy differ from what currently exist that support all businesses?

As for Dr. Anderson's do for self philosophy, I believe it's a mandatory act for any community claiming to want to achieve internal resourcefulness. I don't think Dr. Anderson fails to connect the logic gap between laws and his philosophy because I think he, like myself, don't see enough obstacles of the current policies to throwup your arms in defeat and say we need government involvement for us to move forward

Furthermore, there are innate obstacles that has nothing to do with the government but more to do with greed and self-serving. As a business owner, I'm wrong if I prop up my community's historical and current ordeals to demand/shame the government to carve out unique policies to benefit Black businesses and demand/shame the government to commit to help with my unique business problems as a Black entrepreneur, but I refuse to commit to the investment and support of the Black community, while demanding/shaming them to support my buisiness

From what I've heard discussed about this topic there are a few things that can be done and these ideas are not all centered around business.. One of the first ideas I've heard circulated would be guaranteed government contracts for existing and future black businesses. For example if a city is funding a new building making sure some of the contract work goes to a black contractor. If it has say an event hall maybe have a black caterer on contract to provide food. These are small things that white business get all the time and while not very glamorous it's solid work that can employ black people.

Another idea would revolve around beefing up the amount of loans that are given to black businesses to help get them off the ground. It has been noted many times here that SBA loans during the Obama administration dipped dangerously low below, 10% of all loans IIRC This isn't necessarily a new policy but I think if you had some sort of auditing system in place to periodically monitor this it would help keep a steady flow of money available to black startups.

Overall we need a stable community to help patron any of these businesses and William Darrity along with Darrick Hamilton have both pushed for baby bonds which would help provide a source of wealth black people (although they propose it for all Americans) to tap into at specific points in their lives and would relieve some of the financial pressure we face due to not having any generational wealth. Here is a link that goes into details:

https://www.ineteconomics.org/persp...te-wealth-equality-conservatives-could-love-1

Those are a few ideas that I have heard and that I think are sound in principle.

The second portion of your quote that I highlighted I am not fully understanding . Are you saying that we can't demand the government implement and enforce these polices because potential black business owners may not reciprocate investment into the black community? I need some clarification on that statement please.

 

[Easy-E]

The only one suffering from push a negative black pathology is Carnell.
Its truly sad.
She is going to sit in that run down apartment begging white folks to save her and doing nothing but complaining about the blacks who are advocating self ownership, self control, and legal rights until she turns blue in the face or gets a way to sponsor her, which is what she really wants.

I'm not gonna defend Yvette too hard because you've obviously never watched a show--none of that makes sense, she barely praises even white individuals

Our number one problem is we have this vision of a black Oasis where we're separate from the rest of America and it ain't happening

This "self-reliance" bullshyt is a mask; it's a mask to show to hide Justice for black people and sacrificing for us isn't worth it because they is no monetary gain

Black people have gained NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING from "self-reliance," It's always been about collective political action

It ain't got shyt to do with "white daddy" and more to do with black people finding a way to get back the things we already fought for

Breh! There is no black business, black self ownership and legal rights without firm political mobilization

But, we too busy wanting to be rich

 

[Easy-E]

I'll ask you, what I asked him...what achievable policy do you want implemented that support Black business? and how does that policy differ from what currently exist that support all businesses?

Regulations against these monopolies (Wal-Mart) that come into American communities, kill small businesses, then, leave and leave people unemployed

Audit the racist loan practices of banks

For starters

Yvette has a lot of great ideas, but, thecoli hates her because she shyts on people who show they don't care about us

IG has been integral in Diddy becoming the face of pro--blackness and that nikka fukks over black people like a whtite man

 

[Ezigbo Nwanyi]

when did Claude become anti-government and "do for self". His ideology is not completely a do for self notion like your Boyce's of the world.
He has been saying what Yvette has said about blacks distinguishing themselves from Africans and Caribbeans for years, how immigration is a big issue, reparations and actually has an active case pending as we speak, wrote the original Affirmation Action policy that specifically said it was for blacks DOS before it was diluted, petitioned against the 5 civilized Native American tribes who refused blacks of monies and properties owed, I can go on.... smh

 

[ahdsend]

Reparation does not answer what to do with the resources gained from it which there is a divide.

thats why we need an economy, black institutions... something to invest in...

its gotta be tough for dr. claud who grew up seeing black communities before the integration monster came through...

 

[CreepyMcCreeperson]

In order to run for office, you need money. So a number of people need to be in a position to not only afford to run, but have the discipline, and passion to make real changes while in office, not just get caught up all the financial connections you make as politicians. A lot of politicians keep certain policies in place because people pay them, and donate to their campaign. So it's easy to forget about the best interests of your community, when a few rich donors are linkng your pockets.

As far as economics, there is a lot of opportunity to creat our own thriving, or at least functioning communities, but most people are not thinking about creating businesses that keep the average community running. If a kid goes to college or learns a trade, their first mission is to get a job. They aren't thinking about average community businesses

Car wash
Gas station
Convenience store
Florist
Dry cleaners
Restaurants
Home builders
Auto dealorship
Daycare
Limo company
Printing company
Sign company
Cleaning company
Towing company
Electrician
HVAC
Bakery
Cigar shop
Grocery store
Gym
Nail shop
Arcade
Those bouncing places people take their kids
Movie theater

Even opening franchises

But even with funding, that entrepreneur mentality is not encouraged in black communitiies. Every other group of people maintained their communities because they had to. But we were soooooo focused on being included in the white community, that we didn't focus on improving our own. Now, we're quite possibly facing the end of affirmative action with this administration. Once white people get the chance to not hire us in decent, self supporting positions that allow us to meet the cost of living, we'll not only have more unemployed black people, but still continue to give the white owned companies our money, because we didn't create our own.

How many decades have black people been out of work, and we were called lazy, and not trying hard enough? Now, all the focus is on the white people in the midwest and rust belt, because they can't find work. Why isn't the government calling them lazy for not getting new skills, or moving to where the jobs are?

 

[omnifax]

when did Claude become anti-government and "do for self". His ideology is not completely a do for self notion like your Boyce's of the world.
He has been saying what Yvette has said about blacks distinguishing themselves from Africans and Caribbeans for years, how immigration is a big issue, reparations and actually has an active case pending as we speak, wrote the original Affirmation Action policy that specifically said it was for blacks DOS before it was diluted, petitioned against the 5 civilized Native American tribes who refused blacks of monies and properties owed, I can go on.... smh

Ok so the argument that the caller on Yvette's broadcast made was in relation to Dr. Anderson's basic powernomics principles or guideline that he presents in most of his discussions. Here is a brief 3 minute clip of that guidline for reference:





The caller alleged specifically that Dr. Anderson did not start a business until after he had left the military and I believe he said after all his time served in government, which I would imagine earned him a nice pension and a stable income to start said business. So his fundamental argument (however flawed it may be) is if he didn't do it that way why is he asking other blacks to do it this way. especially given his knowledge of the history and inner workings of government.

 

[David_TheMan]

I'm not gonna defend Yvette too hard because you've obviously never watched a show--none of that makes sense, she barely praises even white individuals

Our number one problem is we have this vision of a black Oasis where we're separate from the rest of America and it ain't happening

This "self-reliance" bullshyt is a mask; it's a mask to show to hide Justice for black people and sacrificing for us isn't worth it because they is no monetary gain

Black people have gained NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING from "self-reliance," It's always been about collective political action

It ain't got shyt to do with "white daddy" and more to do with black people finding a way to get back the things we already fought for

Breh! There is no black business, black self ownership and legal rights without firm political mobilization

But, we too busy wanting to be rich

Not a number one problem at all, the number one prolbem is the idea that we can get any assistance or help or reparations or expect anything or demand anything of people, whites, and a government that has puposely and systematically worked against our interests to insure we are not economically, socially, and culturally independent of them and able to stand on our own.

Black seperatism can happen and was the norm in the US until the white liberals pushed integrationism on the youth through their useful surrogates like Dubois, who eventually turned away from it later in his life, MLK , who eventually had doubts about it later in his life before he was murdered, and via black communists like Rustin, and others.

Self reliance and isolated pockets aren't masks. They aren't and weren't masks for italians when they came to this country, not for the various low income and low skilled asians who came to this country, not for the irish when they came to this country, not for the jews when they came to this country, and I can go on.

Its only a mask and a dead end for blacks who want white salvation or who think they need white "help" and its because at the end of the day they have internalizaed an attitude and belief of black inferiority.

I don't hold that belief, I know better. I know that whites systematically attack every movement that stresses black seperatism, whether it was attacking Garvey, sending surrogates to attack Booker T Washington, sending surrogates like Rustin to attack Elijah Muhhamad and Malcom X, or surrogates like Thurgood Marshall to attack TRM Howard. But there is a reason whites of both political bents hate the idea of black seperatism and do everything they can to destroy these movements, and it isn't because they are dead ends.

 

[BushidoBrown]

Yvette says a full show analyzing Powernomics ideology is otw and a caller even suggest she has Claud call in...

would like to see this especially the bolded

 

[Secure Da Bag]

But there is a reason whites of both political bents hate the idea of black seperatism and do everything they can to destroy these movements, and it isn't because they are dead ends.

Can you expound on this? Specifically what do you think the reason is?

 

[David_TheMan]

Can you expound on this? Specifically what do you think the reason is?

There is power in being a closed group and no assimilating.
If you want to see white versions of this, checkout Catolonia as it pertains to spain, look at various tribal enclaves in Africa, look at russian groups in eastern european countries like Georgia or in east Ukraine.
A group that will not assimilate and that makes up 13% of the population and can stand on its own and is content to do is a problem in any nation, even the "great" US.
It hurts the US projections globally and it makes for internal unrest for whites nationally if there are serious enclaves of black seperatists in this country. Same principle behind why Israelis hate that Palestinians have Gaza Strip and The West Bank as enclaves.

Blacks not trying to fit in can cause major domestic disruption for the US socially and whites of both political sides fear it with a passion.

 

[Poitier]

He's another anti-government/Black oasis brother, I'm seeing

He isn't anti government but his steps to get there are different than Yvette.

 

[Poitier]

when did Claude become anti-government and "do for self". His ideology is not completely a do for self notion like your Boyce's of the world.
He has been saying what Yvette has said about blacks distinguishing themselves from Africans and Caribbeans for years, how immigration is a big issue, reparations and actually has an active case pending as we speak, wrote the original Affirmation Action policy that specifically said it was for blacks DOS before it was diluted, petitioned against the 5 civilized Native American tribes who refused blacks of monies and properties owed, I can go on.... smh

This is dap fish bait, my Igbo queen.

Yvette says they align on many things as I pointed out in the OP.

They differ on the steps to appealing to government.

 

[Poitier]

In order to run for office, you need money. So a number of people need to be in a position to not only afford to run, but have the discipline, and passion to make real changes while in office, not just get caught up all the financial connections you make as politicians. A lot of politicians keep certain policies in place because people pay them, and donate to their campaign. So it's easy to forget about the best interests of your community, when a few rich donors are linkng your pockets.

You don't need money to get policy mandated.

What you can't do is give undying support to one political party.

AAs do a terrible job of leveraging their vote where as other groups have no such allegiance to any party and thus are courted harder with policy.

And if AAs created our own political party word to @The Odum of Ala Igbo then this paradigm becomes completely worthless.