Calif. group votes to limit reparations to slave descendants

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A lot of y’all sound helpless. Do you know your grandparents names? Does your grandma know her maiden name? Her mothers maiden name? Can you spit in a cup and get a DNA sample?

there are many ways to trace your heritage. Everyone knows if their family came here on a plane or a slave ship.

I traced my family back to early 1800’s NC, VA, AL and GA in a month using Ancestry.com then I spit in a cup and traced my DNA. I knew my family was FBA but seems like my bloodline been here since the 1700’s at least.

tracing lineage is the EASY part. Some people who know damn well their family doesn’t qualify are the ones making it seem like it’s an impossible task.

This is a huge victory for FBA even if it’s just on the state level it sets a precedent.

nikkas asking for papers and shyt like im a french bulldog:mjlol:
 
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If these goofys get it into law that you need to provide proof. You ain’t getting shyt :francis:

I am getting shyt . Unlike yall harmless ass nikkas , I was a ward of the State of California . They better know everything about me . They was my parents from 15-19 so they got my proof. In fact , im prolly first in line on the whole Coli lol

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I am getting shyt . Unlike yall harmless ass nikkas , I was a ward of the State of California . They better know everything about me . They was my parents from 15-19 so they got my proof. In fact , im prolly first in line on the whole Coli lol

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Real talk, people like you would be the first left out :francis:
 

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That’s that kid shyt I’m talking about.

If I walk in a store with a voucher for some free shyt. I ain’t gone stand there watching people and get mad if they get some free shyt without the voucher.

Who cares if someone makes the same “claim” as you as long as yours fulfilled?

Only reason to be concerned with that is to be selfish and emotional over the topic :manny:

This that leeching shyt im talking about… this ain’t some fukking coupon for Walmart, we’re talking about my ancestors and all the evil done to them by this government and the beginnings of righting the wrongs they were subjected to. But see you will never get it with that type of scamming ass mindset. The fukk I look like sharing my insurance check from a car accident with other motorists for simply driving the same color car as me. FOH
 

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Why do you wanna know so badly??? :what:
Because you making it seem like it's simple af to get shyt.

@calixprynce relying on the State of California to have his paperwork.:mjlol:

I just don't know of many people that have official documentation tracing their lineage to the 1800s.

It is possible to get these things, but most don't. I reckon it's because it's not an easy/simple process and it costs money.

Either way, when advocating for Reparations, as we all are, it's important we iron out the details on how we're gonna verify individuals and how much to pay out.
 

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This that leeching shyt im talking about… this ain’t some fukking coupon for Walmart, we’re talking about my ancestors and all the evil done to them by this government and the beginnings of righting the wrongs they were subjected to. But see you will never get it with that type of scamming ass mindset. The fukk I look like sharing my insurance check from a car accident with other motorists for simply driving the same color car as me. FOH
Like I said. It’s emotional. Not practical.

When you let emotions cloud your decision making, you usually make bad decisions.:manny:
 
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Because you making it seem like it's simple af to get shyt.

@calixprynce relying on the State of California to have his paperwork.:mjlol:

I just don't know of many people that have official documentation tracing their lineage to the 1800s.

It is possible to get these things, but most don't. I reckon it's because it's not an ease/simple process and it costs money.

Either way, when advocating for Repartitions, as we all are, it's important we iron out the details on how we're gonna verify individuals and how much to pay out.


mf. That's if I want to take that route. My roots are in TX and MS . my grandparents are still alive and they can trace and all that


This is California , I was a ward of the state while you was being a good lil boy at prom :mjlol:



Im getting my shyt waaaaaaay before you . IF you even ADOS :umad:
 

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@xoxodede posted a free site where you can look you this info but I forgot what it was.


I personally did a free trial version of Ancestry.com where I was able to trace my ancestors back to the 1860 census.



Take 10 minutes out of your day register a trial and you will know.


They have marriage records census records, death records, prison records(I found out that my grand father worded at a prison camp mine, cacs used to lock up and lease out prisoners back then for nothing)


Read


That's all it takes? I'm just very skeptical that California will try to pull some bullshyt and claim you need physical documentation.
 

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I'll be honest, I don't think it should be a straight up check unless there are incentives to drive those $ into wealth-creating avenues vs. consumption. We collectively need to be constructive with the money, so people immediately turning that $ into white hands is going to be a risk. Some of us are too programmed at the moment. It'd be nice if there were incentives to use the $ to pay down student debt, go to a down payment, go to starting a small business, etc., so we can COLLECTIVELY benefit.

Could be something like...$100K available in a check but and additional $50K-100K available if you can prove that you used the 1st amount towards something beneficial of collective black wealth.
 

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real talk , imma be the first to get it and you know it :mjlol:


nikka when I need to get copies of my diploma or HS transcripts, I gotta call Sacramento nikka. They KNOW me , they never MET you .



:umad:
They know you from the hospital.

They probably don’t know who/where you came from. And even then they probably don’t know who/where they came from.

And it ain’t up to “them” to prove it. It’s on you :ufdup:
 

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Calif. group votes to limit reparations to slave descendants


By JANIE HAR43 minutes ago





California’s first-in-the-nation task force on reparations voted Tuesday to limit state compensation to the descendants of free and enslaved Black people who were in the U.S. in the 19th century, narrowly rejecting a proposal to include all Black people.

The vote was split 5-4 with some members pleading with the commission to move ahead with a clear definition of who would be eligible rather than studying the issue for months.

″“Please, please, please I beg us tonight, take the first step,” said Amos Brown, vice chair of the task force.

Those favoring a lineage approach said that a compensation and restitution plan based on genealogy as opposed to race has the best change of surviving a legal challenge. They also said that Black immigrants who chose to migrate to the U.S. in the 20th and 21st centuries did not share the trauma of people who were kidnapped and enslaved.

They also opened eligibility to free Black people who migrated to the country in the 19th century, given possible difficulties in documenting genealogy and the risk at the time of becoming enslaved.

Others had argued that reparations should include all Black people in the U.S., regardless of lineage, who suffer from systemic racism in housing, education and employment. They also said it was difficult to prove lineage.

Gov. Gavin Newsom signed legislation creating the two-year reparations task force in 2020, making California the only state to move ahead with a study and plan, with a mission to study the institution of slavery and its harms and to educate the public about its findings. The task force members were appointed by the governor and the leaders of both legislative chambers.

The committee is not even a year into its two-year process and there is no compensation plan of any kind on the table. Longtime advocates have spoken of the need for multifaceted remedies for related yet separate harms, such as slavery, Jim Crow laws, mass incarceration and redevelopment that resulted in displacement of Black communities.

Compensation could include free college, assistance buying homes and launching businesses, and grants to churches and community organizations, advocates say.
Yet, the eligibility question has dogged the task force since its inaugural meeting in June, when viewers called in pleading with the nine-member group to devise targeted proposals and cash payments to make whole the descendants of enslaved people in the U.S.

Chicago resident Arthur Ward called in to Tuesday’s virtual meeting, saying that he was a descendant of enslaved people and has family in California. He supports reparations based only on lineage and expressed frustration with the panel’s concerns over Black immigrants who experience systemic racism.

“When it comes to some sort of justice, some kind of recompense, we are supposed to step to the back of the line and allow Caribbeans and Africans to be prioritized,” Ward said. “Taking this long to decide something that should not even be a question in the first place is an insult.”

Kamilah Moore, the committee’s chair, favors eligibility based on lineage, rather than race, saying it will have the best chance of surviving a legal challenge in a conservative U.S. Supreme Court. She also said it’s clear that the legislation supports restitution based on lineage.

California Secretary of State Shirley Weber, who authored the legislation creating the task force, had argued passionately in January for prioritizing descendants for generations of forced labor, broken family ties and police terrorism. The daughter of sharecroppers forced to flee Arkansas in the dead of night, she recalled how the legacy of slavery broke her family and stunted their ability to dream of anything beyond survival.

Opening up compensation to modern Black immigrants or even descendants of slaves from other countries would leave U.S. descendants with mere pennies, she said.

But task force members — nearly all of whom can trace their families back to enslaved ancestors — struggle with a pivotal question bound to shape reparations deliberations across the country. The panel needs to make a decision so economists can begin calculations.

California Assemblyman Reginald Jones-Sawyer, a member of the task force, said there is no question that descendants of slaves are the priority, but he said the task force also needs to stop ongoing harm and prevent future harm from racism.
He said during the meeting that he wished the panel would stop “bickering” over money they don’t have yet and start discussing how to close a severe wealth gap.
“We’re arguing over cash payments, which I firmly don’t believe are the be all and end all,” he said.

Critics also say that California has no obligation to pay up given that the state did not practice slavery and did not enforce Jim Crow laws that segregated Black people from white people in the southern states.

But testimony provided to the committee shows California and local governments were complicit in stripping Black people of their wages and property, preventing them from building wealth to pass down to their children. Their homes were razed for redevelopment, and they were forced to live in predominantly minority neighborhoods and couldn’t get bank loans that would allow them to purchase property.

Today, Black residents are 5% of the state’s population but over-represented in jails, prison and homeless populations. And Black homeowners continue to face discrimination in the form of home appraisals that are significantly lower than if the house were in a white neighborhood or the homeowners are white, according to testimony.

Nkechi Taifa, director of the Reparation Education Project, is among longtime advocates who are thrilled the discussion has gone mainstream. But she’s baffled by the idea of limiting reparations to people who can show lineage when ancestry is not easy to document and slave owners frequently moved people among plantations in the U.S., the Caribbean and South America.

“I guess I tend to be more inclusive rather than exclusive,” she said, “and maybe it’s a fear of limitation, that there’s not enough money to go around.”

A report is due by June with a reparations proposal due by July 2023 for the Legislature to consider turning into law.


 
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