Calif. group votes to limit reparations to slave descendants

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Those favoring a lineage approach said that a compensation and restitution plan based on genealogy as opposed to race has the best change of surviving a legal challenge. They also said that Black immigrants who chose to migrate to the U.S. in the 20th and 21st centuries did not share the trauma of people who were kidnapped and enslaved.

They also opened eligibility to free Black people who migrated to the country in the 19th century, given possible difficulties in documenting genealogy and the risk at the time of becoming enslaved.

Others had argued that reparations should include all Black people in the U.S., regardless of lineage, who suffer from systemic racism in housing, education and employment. They also said it was difficult to prove lineage.

It seems like the obvious solution is that there are two different types of reparations. Reparations for slavery is one thing, and should go to descendants of slaves. Reparations for Jim Crow segregation and other discrimination since then is another thing, and should go to all black folk whose ancestors suffered from it.

No, it doesn't make any sense to give reparations to brand new immigrants.



Opening up compensation to modern Black immigrants or even descendants of slaves from other countries would leave U.S. descendants with mere pennies, she said.

That sounds like nonsense - the vast majority of Black folk in America are descendants of slaves, so how would you suddenly get from real reparations to "mere pennies" solely by including a much smaller subgroup?



Critics also say that California has no obligation to pay up given that the state did not practice slavery and did not enforce Jim Crow laws that segregated Black people from white people in the southern states.

But testimony provided to the committee shows California and local governments were complicit in stripping Black people of their wages and property, preventing them from building wealth to pass down to their children. Their homes were razed for redevelopment, and they were forced to live in predominantly minority neighborhoods and couldn’t get bank loans that would allow them to purchase property.

That could be a future issue. Legally, how are they gonna make the state of California pay for the aspects that didn't happen in California? It would seem like there would be obvious judicial challenge to California giving reparations
 

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Reparations should be never pay a single tax in your life for anything

Sales, income, estate, property ..nothing

Free Education regardless of the type or level or location or institution

Free Healthcare

Waivers for Administrative fees related to any Govt/State process. Driver's license, car inspections, tag title transfers, court fees, etc.

And that's the lite version.


This government sponsored the destruction of life, Liberty, freedom , pursuit of happiness, destroyed businesses, incarcerated people unjustly, received free labor, prevented us from learning to read & write, stole property, prevented us from voting, and kidnapped people, amongst many other atrocities for HUNDREDS OF YEARS !!

We cannot ever possibly regain what was stolen and lost. Lives cannot be replaced.

We don't even know our true names, religion, where we originated, who our families were related to

People have been put on death row for crimes they didn't even commit. And in jail right now because of racist cops, lawyers, judges, and witnesses

They won't even admit that evil has been perpetuated against us

There's not enough reparations in the world to make it right. 40acres & Mule is what they agreed to and can never even pay that


The issue with that is that it provides the most help to the rich folk who need it the least, and provides the least help to the poorest folk who need it the most. Oprah, Jay-Z, Tyler Perry, Bob Johnson, Robert Smith, Michael Jordan, Kanye West, they would each be getting hundreds of millions of dollars cash in "reparations". Whereas millions of poor families wouldn't be hardly getting anything because their taxes are already low, they don't own property, they already go to public school and get Medicaid...they need cash and jobs.
 

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The issue with that is that it provides the most help to the rich folk who need it the least, and provides the least help to the poorest folk who need it the most. Oprah, Jay-Z, Tyler Perry, Bob Johnson, Robert Smith, Michael Jordan, Kanye West, they would each be getting hundreds of millions of dollars cash in "reparations". Whereas millions of poor families wouldn't be hardly getting anything because their taxes are already low, they don't own property, they already go to public school and get Medicaid...they need cash and jobs.

This is a good point.
 

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Wow, amazing the level of infighting and personal attacks in thread. Y'all really think you're going to accomplish something that way?

Rather than making these ridiculous attacks about the past battles, why not focus on the issue at hand? Because most of y'all are in glass houses anyway. The ones who are doing the most hating on people in the fight for supposedly not fighting the right way earlier are themselves supporting people who literally weren't doing anything at all back then. And there are plenty of people in this conversation (not all, but plenty) whose own Coli history shows that they were here for years and literally weren't saying jack shyt about reparations at all. So don't hate on people who were actually in the fight with this monday morning quarterbacking when you weren't even thinking about the shyt back then. Chances are if they hadn't done what they did then we wouldn't even be having this conversations right now because reparations never would have been on anyone's radar.

Okay, rant over. Stop fukking infighting. Ignore the people whose primary goal is to tear others down. If there is a chance to actually move this shyt forward then lets keep moving it forward rather than halting the bus to fight with every other damn person on it.
 

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Wow, amazing the level of infighting and personal attacks in thread. Y'all really think you're going to accomplish something that way?

Rather than making these ridiculous attacks about the past battles, why not focus on the issue at hand? Because most of y'all are in glass houses anyway. The ones who are doing the most hating on people in the fight for supposedly not fighting the right way earlier are themselves supporting people who literally weren't doing anything at all back then. And there are plenty of people in this conversation (not all, but plenty) whose own Coli history shows that they were here for years and literally weren't saying jack shyt about reparations at all. So don't hate on people who were actually in the fight with this monday morning quarterbacking when you weren't even thinking about the shyt back then. Chances are if they hadn't done what they did then we wouldn't even be having this conversations right now because reparations never would have been on anyone's radar.

Okay, rant over. Stop fukking infighting. Ignore the people whose primary goal is to tear others down. If there is a chance to actually move this shyt forward then lets keep moving it forward rather than halting the bus to fight with every other damn person on it.


Your childish paragraphs long rant was barely skimmed over by me. Alot of irrelevant non points and vagueness.


All I am saying is the simplistic description of a discussion of facts or disagreements as " infighting" shows immaturity and fragility.

Every movement discussed issues and argued the facts of the case


The instinct and reflex to label this as "ridiculous or other wise petty" for establishing criteria of lineage and accrued disadvantage of Black American people who descend from American Slavery is an expression of Anti ADOS sentiment and a lazy global Pan Africana world view that prioritizes Africans in a superficial way that does not translate to real political change.
 
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But this is just California, there weren't that many slaves there and they shouldn't pay for the sins of the south.

This needs to be Federal but with the South paying the biggest share.
 

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But this is just California, there weren't that many slaves there and they shouldn't pay for the sins of the south.

This needs to be Federal but with the South paying the biggest share.

On the Federal level the entire USA benefited from Slavery.
And as a nation Federal programs are payed with funds from the whole nation.

All these weird manufactured varied caveats and excuses and depatures from processes that already occur are anti native Black American.
 
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Calif. group votes to limit reparations to slave descendants


By JANIE HAR43 minutes ago





California’s first-in-the-nation task force on reparations voted Tuesday to limit state compensation to the descendants of free and enslaved Black people who were in the U.S. in the 19th century, narrowly rejecting a proposal to include all Black people.

The vote was split 5-4 with some members pleading with the commission to move ahead with a clear definition of who would be eligible rather than studying the issue for months.

″“Please, please, please I beg us tonight, take the first step,” said Amos Brown, vice chair of the task force.

Those favoring a lineage approach said that a compensation and restitution plan based on genealogy as opposed to race has the best change of surviving a legal challenge. They also said that Black immigrants who chose to migrate to the U.S. in the 20th and 21st centuries did not share the trauma of people who were kidnapped and enslaved.

They also opened eligibility to free Black people who migrated to the country in the 19th century, given possible difficulties in documenting genealogy and the risk at the time of becoming enslaved.

Others had argued that reparations should include all Black people in the U.S., regardless of lineage, who suffer from systemic racism in housing, education and employment. They also said it was difficult to prove lineage.

Gov. Gavin Newsom signed legislation creating the two-year reparations task force in 2020, making California the only state to move ahead with a study and plan, with a mission to study the institution of slavery and its harms and to educate the public about its findings. The task force members were appointed by the governor and the leaders of both legislative chambers.

The committee is not even a year into its two-year process and there is no compensation plan of any kind on the table. Longtime advocates have spoken of the need for multifaceted remedies for related yet separate harms, such as slavery, Jim Crow laws, mass incarceration and redevelopment that resulted in displacement of Black communities.

Compensation could include free college, assistance buying homes and launching businesses, and grants to churches and community organizations, advocates say.
Yet, the eligibility question has dogged the task force since its inaugural meeting in June, when viewers called in pleading with the nine-member group to devise targeted proposals and cash payments to make whole the descendants of enslaved people in the U.S.

Chicago resident Arthur Ward called in to Tuesday’s virtual meeting, saying that he was a descendant of enslaved people and has family in California. He supports reparations based only on lineage and expressed frustration with the panel’s concerns over Black immigrants who experience systemic racism.

“When it comes to some sort of justice, some kind of recompense, we are supposed to step to the back of the line and allow Caribbeans and Africans to be prioritized,” Ward said. “Taking this long to decide something that should not even be a question in the first place is an insult.”

Kamilah Moore, the committee’s chair, favors eligibility based on lineage, rather than race, saying it will have the best chance of surviving a legal challenge in a conservative U.S. Supreme Court. She also said it’s clear that the legislation supports restitution based on lineage.

California Secretary of State Shirley Weber, who authored the legislation creating the task force, had argued passionately in January for prioritizing descendants for generations of forced labor, broken family ties and police terrorism. The daughter of sharecroppers forced to flee Arkansas in the dead of night, she recalled how the legacy of slavery broke her family and stunted their ability to dream of anything beyond survival.

Opening up compensation to modern Black immigrants or even descendants of slaves from other countries would leave U.S. descendants with mere pennies, she said.

But task force members — nearly all of whom can trace their families back to enslaved ancestors — struggle with a pivotal question bound to shape reparations deliberations across the country. The panel needs to make a decision so economists can begin calculations.

California Assemblyman Reginald Jones-Sawyer, a member of the task force, said there is no question that descendants of slaves are the priority, but he said the task force also needs to stop ongoing harm and prevent future harm from racism.
He said during the meeting that he wished the panel would stop “bickering” over money they don’t have yet and start discussing how to close a severe wealth gap.
“We’re arguing over cash payments, which I firmly don’t believe are the be all and end all,” he said.

Critics also say that California has no obligation to pay up given that the state did not practice slavery and did not enforce Jim Crow laws that segregated Black people from white people in the southern states.

But testimony provided to the committee shows California and local governments were complicit in stripping Black people of their wages and property, preventing them from building wealth to pass down to their children. Their homes were razed for redevelopment, and they were forced to live in predominantly minority neighborhoods and couldn’t get bank loans that would allow them to purchase property.

Today, Black residents are 5% of the state’s population but over-represented in jails, prison and homeless populations. And Black homeowners continue to face discrimination in the form of home appraisals that are significantly lower than if the house were in a white neighborhood or the homeowners are white, according to testimony.

Nkechi Taifa, director of the Reparation Education Project, is among longtime advocates who are thrilled the discussion has gone mainstream. But she’s baffled by the idea of limiting reparations to people who can show lineage when ancestry is not easy to document and slave owners frequently moved people among plantations in the U.S., the Caribbean and South America.

“I guess I tend to be more inclusive rather than exclusive,” she said, “and maybe it’s a fear of limitation, that there’s not enough money to go around.”

A report is due by June with a reparations proposal due by July 2023 for the Legislature to consider turning into law.



That's good.

Yet some people on here complain like bytches about there being a National study. As if plans come together out of thin air.

I'm looking at you @ORDER_66
 

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The drama was two members of NCobra and Naarc trying to make it race based. They were saying all Black people in America = African-American.

Basically saying, African-Americans/ADOS are not an ethnic group.

We also had the AA California Assemblyman against it lineage based reparations as well. I think they were all paid to be opps. But, it didn't work!



:wow:
 

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I don’t like this.

We gone trust the government to scrutinize who should get the money based on ancestry that they purposely erased in the first place?

Sounds like fukkery for the sake of infighting.

Don’t even understand the logic behind the scrutiny. If a more recent immigrant gets some money they don’t “deserve” then so what?

Also with this approach we will undoubtedly have some “white” or others proving their slavery lineage and getting paid.

Would be hilarious (sad) to watch Karen’s walk out with checks while actual black people on the sidelines cause they can’t prove their lineage. :francis:
 
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