Buzzfeed: families say male friends, family radicalized by misogynist, anti LGBT Andrew Tate, Kevin Samuels, Fresh Fit podcast

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We're not saying different things. I'm just saying the dudes who used to be there to pick up the pieces for the fat women, baby mamas, attitude queens...they're just not going to be there in the future. Do you have male cousins, brothers, etc., below the age of 25? They are not interested in saving hoes or playing Disney prince. I'm in my 30s and dudes in our generation were still raised that way. That shyt is done with as far as I can tell.

The "manosphere" isn't something that you have to dwell in to get it's concepts. You can just come and take your red pill and move on. There's shyt that modern women do that brehs aren't cool with. That can lead to women changing or a continued decline of marriage as an institution and a plunging birthrate. The entire Western world is heading the latter way and that's why government is starting to get involved. Societies inch towards insolvency as populations age. And populations age when people aren't getting married and aren't having kids.

I think you do underestimate the number of women who look at modern feminism as just a trap to be corporate cog as well. Women are understanding how soul crushing Corporate America and all the bullshyt is. If hitting the gym, being pleasant, and not having a crazy body count is what gets you a life of relative leisure, best believe women are going to start seeing that as a more viable option than corporate BS. Most dudes would choose that in a heartbeat if it were an option for them. Pause.

You're also missing the fact that men vote. How do you think things would change if Onlyfans, Seeking Arrangement, Child/Maternal welfare and all these other economic stand-ins for stable yet boring men went away? shyt would change quickly, don't get it twisted.


Look at the male drift rightward in non-white demographics. Where this is going is staring you right in the face.
These are great points.

The only caveat is that many of us have seen women who marry into those situations thinking that things are cool, and the marriages eventually turned abusive, or they were left for another woman, or the man cheated. Especially if you’re dealing with a highly successful man.
That’s why having an education and career as a backup is important.

Ask any good dude who has a daughter and he’ll tell you that he wants her to be self-sufficient so that her livelihood/survival isn’t in the hands of another person.

Now- some women might pair a bad attitude with that education/career, and that’s a mistake. Some women may align themselves with a man who cannot fully provide/at least contribute half and they may develop an attitude because of that.

But yea, if you have your look and attitude together and pick a good guy at the appropriate time you can hopefully have a happy, healthy lifelong marriage and be a stay at home wife.


I know what I’d prefer :sas2:
 

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Also, I'm going to quote myself from another thread as to the REAL reason why the Manosphere/Red Pill/Incels/MGTOW/Alt Right has grown tremendously in the Western World(and even South Korea):


Women will get most if not all of the blame but it's really a natural consequence of a modern society where women are less dependent on men than at any point in history. Even in South Korea and Japan, you have this phenomenon going on since they're the richest Asian countries.

Women in developed countries are pickier than ever because they're making their own money, buying their own homes, etc. now and they don't necessarily need men in their lives as much as they used to which makes them more willing to hold out for specific men who fit their preference. Hell, even with sex, a lot of women fall back on dildos and vibrators for orgasms. It puts men in developed countries in an unusual dilemma where we have to compete harder to get a lot of dating options.

I'm not saying that this is right or wrong but that's usually how it goes. Developing countries still are very money, tradition, and status focused like the older generation of dating so men are able to go there and leverage their average amount of money and possessions to appeal to women overseas and date/marry them.

But, before you know it, even some of those countries will become more developed and women will become picker there as well.

It begs the question thoguh: How can average men sell themselves to a high amount of women in the 1st world? It used to be that we could shame them for being broke without a man, childless without a man, have no sex without a man, etc. but those things don't hold up as much as they used to. A lot of women are cool with their sex toys, own money/possessions, and girl networks and consider dating men to be a bonus for better or worse.

The Red Pill might have the answers but that should be the ultimate question men in the West(and Japan/South Korea) must ask.


Basically, women aren't in a position where they have to be dependent on men anymore and a lot of men feel very jaded, bitter, and worthless over it because men in developed countries now have to compete harder for women. And, because so many young men are broke or don't have their money right, they're not even in a position to win women over with money.

So, young men cope by hopping onto platforms whether it'd be Red Pill/Manosphere/Incels/MGTOW/Alt Right to blame women for their issues or societal issues altogether.

In the next 15 years, women under the age of 35 will outearn and be more educated than men in the same age demographic. But, instead of pushing for more male mentors, therapy, strict parenting, job programs, educational resources, etc. the biggest male platforms just whine about dating, sex, and women hurting society. And the very dude who tried to move the Manosphere to a different direction(Hafeez) has gotten clowned due to a debate he had with a White girl. It's pretty sad but copium is a hell of a drug so I don't think anything will change.
 
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That's the same excuse MAGA voters make when justifying January 16th or "White Lives Matter."


Breh if you don’t see the progression of the bullshyt I don’t know what to tell you, Obama first term was a black democrat that did not support gay marriage.

Now we got men that want to be women and puberty blockers for teenagers:heh:

2008 was not that long ago breh :heh:
 

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Also, I'm going to quote myself from another thread as to the REAL reason why the Manosphere/Red Pill/Incels/MGTOW/Alt Right has grown tremendously in the Western World(and even South Korea):


Women will get most if not all of the blame but it's really a natural consequence of a modern society where women are less dependent on men than at any point in history. Even in South Korea and Japan, you have this phenomenon going on since they're the richest Asian countries.

Women in developed countries are pickier than ever because they're making their own money, buying their own homes, etc. now and they don't necessarily need men in their lives as much as they used to which makes them more willing to hold out for specific men who fit their preference. Hell, even with sex, a lot of women fall back on dildos and vibrators for orgasms. It puts men in developed countries in an unusual dilemma where we have to compete harder to get a lot of dating options.

I'm not saying that this is right or wrong but that's usually how it goes. Developing countries still are very money, tradition, and status focused like the older generation of dating so men are able to go there and leverage their average amount of money and possessions to appeal to women overseas and date/marry them.

But, before you know it, even some of those countries will become more developed and women will become picker there as well.

It begs the question thoguh: How can average men sell themselves to a high amount of women in the 1st world? It used to be that we could shame them for being broke without a man, childless without a man, have no sex without a man, etc. but those things don't hold up as much as they used to. A lot of women are cool with their sex toys, own money/possessions, and girl networks and consider dating men to be a bonus for better or worse.

The Red Pill might have the answers but that should be the ultimate question men in the West(and Japan/South Korea) must ask.


Basically, women aren't in a position where they have to be dependent on men anymore and a lot of men feel very jaded, bitter, and worthless over it because men in developed countries now have to compete harder for women. And, because so many young men are broke or don't have their money right, they're not even in a position to win women over with money.

So, young men cope by hopping onto platforms whether it'd be Red Pill/Manosphere/Incels/MGTOW/Alt Right to blame women for their issues or societal issues altogether.

In the next 15 years, women under the age of 35 will outearn and be more educated than men in the same age demographic. But, instead of pushing for more male mentors, therapy, strict parenting, job programs, educational resources, etc. the biggest male platforms just whine about dating, sex, and women hurting society. And the very dude who tried to move the Manosphere to a different direction(Hafeez) has gotten clowned due to a debate he had with a White girl. It's pretty sad but copium is a hell of a drug so I don't think anything will change.

The world is in trouble with these trends, honestly, and I don't think the underscored is actually the answer because of men's inherent biology & how most men on earth are raised. I posted this in another thread on boys/men and school achievement...generally think it holds true. Red text for emphasis:

I honestly think we're never going back in terms of boys/men's ambition unless marriage & fatherhood regain their appeal. Males used to aspire to husbandry & fatherhood, but that's a hard sell these days.

We don't have the same consumer appetite as women, generally speaking, so there's less incentive to seek out stable careers that provide decent earnings once you've written off being a husband or father. Which I believe a large portion of Gen Z boys and men have done.

I'm not sure how you can have an honest discussion about men failing without also calling into question modern consumerist feminism. What conservatives do have right is that decades of calling men worthless doesn't go without harm to both men and women.

There are ways to have men more emotionally & psychologically prepared to deal with today's realities (encouraging male friendship, cultivating your own individual interests vs. interests that are associated with economic productivity), but I'm not sure that will "fix" anything when it comes to men being higher achievers. If anything, it would just help avoid future violence. But having men as economic engines (which is what I think these articles really concern themselves with) in the same way in 2030 as they were in 1970s is a ship that's set sail.

Maybe a controversial opinion, but I'm not sure that you can have a peaceful society when those with the most sexual access (women) are also the highest achievers/earners & also don't have to worry about the quality of their sexual partners (due to contraception). Men's chemistry would need to change.
 

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He always supported me on big things like helping me get a job, and he’s loyal, which I really like because I’ve been cheated on way too many times.
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@Reality I don't want to quote your whole post.

I was talking to a young 18 year old. Senior in high-school doing remote learning and been working part-full time for about a year and a half now.

Said he used to do well in school but doesn't care anymore. Asked him if he wanted to go to school for better job opportunities down the line and he was satisfied with the kind of work he's been in so far (manual labor)

I'm sure 4-5 years from now he'll mature a little bit and possibly go into a trade

Anecdotally I'm noticing more young guys just working crazy hours and or two jobs to get by and be more or less content with it

Yeah school ain't for everybody, but society should probably get ahead of this trend of boys not engaged with school and higher education before things get really out of wack in another 10-15 years
 

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@Reality I don't want to quote your whole post.

I was talking to a young 18 year old. Senior in high-school doing remote learning and been working part-full time for about a year and a half now.

Said he used to do well in school but doesn't care anymore. Asked him if he wanted to go to school for better job opportunities down the line and he was satisfied with the kind of work he's been in so far (manual labor)

I'm sure 4-5 years from now he'll mature a little bit and possibly go into a trade

Anecdotally I'm noticing more young guys just working crazy hours and or two jobs to get by and be more or less content with it

Yeah school ain't for everybody, but society should probably get ahead of this trend of boys not engaged with school and higher education before things get really out of wack in another 10-15 years

Go into greater detail, on what you mean by "things get really outta wack in another 10-15 years?"
 

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Go into greater detail, on what you mean by "things get really outta wack in another 10-15 years?"
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Working crazy hours or working multiple unskilled jobs holds over for only so long.

We'll just have a generation of lonely men, burning out, having health problems, dying early

Women probably won't be in relationships as much so they gotta pick up massive slack and work longer. Birthrate would plummet cause women wouldn't be able to find men 5-10-15 years younger than them trying to start families:skip:
 
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Dudes gotta be able to take this information and learn when to use it, and how to use it. All it means is learning your worth and not going for the typical man women tropes, but some dudes are extreme af

My little cousin became radicalized :francis:

Got hooked on Tom Leykis, Kevin Samuels, Andrew Tate, Tariq Nasheed, and is a Both Sides Trump Supporter Republican. And we’re black. It’s sad to see. Has never had a girlfriend. It’s like talking to a brick wall. I peeped what he was doing when he started saying things IRL that only these online gurus would say :francis: He doesn’t want to listen to me after I got with him for being disrespectful to some of the female relatives in our family. He don’t understand that even if half of what Kevin Samuels or Andrew Tate was saying was true, when you stew on this stuff, it makes you bitter and hateful. That’s why this stuff is dangerous for young men (21 and younger) because they don’t have the maturity to not let something radicalize them.
 

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The world is in trouble with these trends, honestly, and I don't think the underscored is actually the answer because of men's inherent biology & how most men on earth are raised. I posted this in another thread on boys/men and school achievement...generally think it holds true. Red text for emphasis:
Red is the truth
 
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