but but but rondo the best point guard in the league

[William F. Russell]

I'm tired of this flawed argument. Not even going to waste time debating it with you. Your argument is derived from faulty analytics that will never truly explain the complexities of the game. But keep spouting this nonsense to act like you know something.



LOLwhat? The current C's pace is 2nd in the league. Look it up.

I'm done trying to reason with him. He's too entrenched in his preconceived notions.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

OK my point being is that Rondo hasn't had much chance to prove that he can lead a team seeing as that he was out injured during the ONE season without the big 3. More specifically, I'm disputing your point that you can't build around Rondo, just because he can't score. This is his first full chance at disproving your *baseless* point. Let the man live. Let him play.

Reading comprehension, breh.

Because he can't, last season should be evidence of this -

Rondo has the ball in his hands 22.6% of the time he's on the floor (more than every single other player in the league), yet he only has a offensive rating of 98.2 (which would ranked him #362 in the league) while only scoring 11.8 PPG on 40.1% shooting (only 34% on the selective minimal jumpshots he takes) - leading the team to a 6-24 record since he's been back, yet I'm suppose to be believe that not only is he the best in the league at running the offense, he's on a historical all-time great level as well. And yet I'm suppose to believe 'he's one of the best players at adjusting to personnel' when he has virtually no idea when his team needs him to score/pass - on a team where he's suppose to be the leader, he's only averaging 0.5 points on 19.2% shooting during the 'clutch' period (which would rank him #269 in the league) - deferring to players like Kris Humphries, Avery Bradley and Chris Johnson late in-games the majority of the time.

How the hell do you have the ball in your hands more than any other player in the league and only score 11.8 PPG when your team obviously needs you to score more because there isn't enough scoring threats, therefore opening the game up for the rest of the players on the court and not stagnating the offense = have one of the lowest player offensive ratings in the league and have a abysmal record (6-24) to boot?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

And which PG would you build your team around? Has that PG won before? Has he been the the Finals? If we're talking about winning it all, I'd go with Tony Parker. After him, give me Rondo.

Talk about winning it all with a PG who has never averaged over 14 ppg games brehs.

 

[havoc]

That's why he went HAM repeatedly in the playoffs (averaging damn near a triple double) against teams like D-Rose's Bulls and LeBron's Heat.

I can't co-sign.

Let us not forget the Heat intentionally sag off from Rondo and played the passing lane to keep the Celtics' scorers from touching the ball. That leaves Rondo indecisive and force him to shoot the ball. Surprisingly, Rondo made his shots. Many teams would take that chance and gamble on Rondo's poor shooting ability to fail because it will halt the Celtic's ball movement, and most of the time that defensive scheme always worked against Rondo. The Lakers vs Celtics in 2010 finals is a great example of how Rondo's weakness hurt the team.

 

[BlackStarLine]

Because he can't, last season should be evidence of this -

How about this season? Explain the Nets game? How the hell did you think the C's scored 121?

 

[intruder]

And which PG would you build your team around? Has that PG won before? Has he been the the Finals? If we're talking about winning it all, I'd go with Tony Parker. After him, give me Rondo.

When all are healthy take Parker over all of them. You wont find many bigger Parker fans than me.

 

[William F. Russell]

Let us not forget the Heat intentionally sag off from Rondo and played the passing lane to keep the Celtics' scorers from touching the ball. That leaves Rondo indecisive and force him to shoot the ball. Surprisingly, Rondo made his shots. Many teams would take that chance and gamble on Rondo's poor shooting ability to fail because it will halt the Celtic's ball movement, and most of the time that defensive scheme always worked against Rondo. The Lakers vs Celtics in 2010 finals is a great example of how Rondo's weakness hurt the team.

Ni**a, you're reaching.

That excuse might work if Rondo was killing it for only one game in one series. But Rondo AVERAGED damn near a triple-double against that Heat team in that series. Rondo ate. Simple as that.

And 2010 Finals demonstrated how much Kendrick Perkins' absence hurt the team.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

How about this season. Explain the Nets game? How the hell did you think the C's scored 121?

He's played two games.... TWO GAMES......... if you wanna use this one game logic......... what happened against Houston?

 

[William F. Russell]

When all are healthy take Parker over all of them. You wont find many bigger Parker fans than me.

OK, so we agree, Parker first out of all PGs.

After Parker, I'd go with Rondo. Ahead of Paul. Ahead of D-Rose. Ahead of Westbrook.

 

[BlackStarLine]

And 2010 Finals demonstrated how much Kendrick Perkins' absence hurt the team.

LOL, they don't ever bring that up.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Ni**a, you're reaching.

That excuse might work if Rondo was killing it for only one game in one series. But Rondo AVERAGED damn near a triple-double against that Heat team in that series. Rondo ate. Simple as that.

And 2010 Finals demonstrated how much Kendrick Perkins' absence hurt the team.

Dude's trying to rewrite history now acting like the Heat didn't sag off Rond... even when Miami admitted to doing this.

 

[BlackStarLine]

He's played two games.... TWO GAMES......... if you wanna use this one game logic......... what happened against Houston?

Naw, according to your stats and logic that ONE game would be impossible for someone like Rondo. At most the score would've been 105. Explain it please.

 

[BlackStarLine]

Dude's trying to rewrite history now acting like the Heat didn't sag off Rond... even when Miami admitted to doing this.

No one's denying anything. The 2012 ECF went 7 games, according to you analysis of Rondo it should of went 5. Since he is such a detriment to the offense.

 

[havoc]

Too much unsubstantiated opinion, buddy.

Rondo is an elite PG when healthy. Look at his stats. Look at his individual playoff performances.

To your point that Rondo isn't a cornerstone PG, I think it's absurd to make that statement when he hasn't had much of a chance to prove otherwise (he was injured for most of last year).

And which PG would you build your team around? Has that PG won before? Has he been the the Finals? If we're talking about winning it all, I'd go with Tony Parker. After him, give me Rondo.

You need to stop looking at the stats because sometimes the numbers doesn't tell the entire story. Rondo's incompetence stalled the Celtics' offense. The Celtics were never a great scoring team with Rondo as the facilitator. Go watch the NBA 2010 finals and see how the Lakers played defense against the Celtics. The Lakers didn't bother to man up on Rondo and left him open in the perimeter, which confused Rondo, and cause the Celtics' ball movement to stop. Pierce, Ray, and Garnett were cancelled because the Lakers made it difficult for them to receive an outlet pass. This is what normally happens when defense take notice a pg has no shooting ability, and sag off from the pg.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Naw, according to your stats and logic that ONE game would be impossible for someone like Rondo. At most the score would've been 105. Explain it please.

The game was an anomaly. How many times has an offense led by Rondo (not by Pierce or KG) scored over 120 points? And let's not act like Rondo puit 50 poinyts...... he had 13.....